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Accurate meaning it needs to hit to be applied.
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Originally Posted by Malin0001
On a side note i was wondering whats the difference between Accurate to-hit debuff and to hit debuff. To me they sound like they do the same thing
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I would get rid of elude and manuevers. I was bored, so I made a build form yours:
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Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Leviathan Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Smite -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(5), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Mako-Dam%(45)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(7), LkGmblr-Def(23), HO:Cyto(37)
Level 2: Shadow Maul -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(3), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(5), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(17), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Oblit-%Dam(45)
Level 4: Focused Senses -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(7), LkGmblr-Def(23), HO:Cyto(37)
Level 6: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- HO:Nucle(A), HO:Nucle(9), Numna-Heal/Rchg(9), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(11), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(11), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 10: Practiced Brawler -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), ULeap-Stlth(13), LkGmblr-Def(21), Ksmt-ToHit+(43), Winter-ResSlow(50)
Level 14: Agile -- S'dpty-Def(A), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(31), S'dpty-Def/Rchg(40)
Level 16: Dodge -- S'dpty-Def(A), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(31), S'dpty-Def/Rchg(40)
Level 18: Dark Consumption -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(19), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(19), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(21), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(43), P'Shift-End%(46)
Level 20: Quickness -- Run-I(A)
Level 22: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(37), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(46)
Level 24: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(25), LkGmblr-Def(25), HO:Cyto(29)
Level 26: Soul Drain -- C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(A), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(27), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(27), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(29)
Level 28: Lucky -- S'dpty-Def(A), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(31), S'dpty-Def/Rchg(40)
Level 30: Aid Other -- Heal-I(A)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(34), GravAnch-Hold%(45)
Level 35: Evasion -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(36), LkGmblr-Def(36), HO:Cyto(36)
Level 38: Aid Self -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(39), Dct'dW-Heal(39), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(39), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 41: Water Spout -- Achilles-ResDeb%(A), LdyGrey-DefDeb/Rchg(42), LdyGrey-DefDeb/Rchg/EndRdx(42), LdyGrey-Rchg/EndRdx(42)
Level 44: Hibernate -- Heal-I(A)
Level 47: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(48), RechRdx-I(48)
Level 49: Confront -- Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(50)
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 50: Spiritual Total Radial Revamp
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(43), RgnTis-Regen+(46), Mrcl-Rcvry+(48)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(13), EndMod-I(15)
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So acculturate means theres a acc check and the to hit doesn't?|
Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
Accurate meaning it needs to hit to be applied.
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Originally Posted by Infini
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I would get rid of elude and maneuvers. I was bored, so I made a build form yours:
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"Accurate" sets are for powers that require a to-hit check to function, heals like Dark Regeneration and to-hit debuffs like your dark melee attacks, for example.
Sets without the word "Accurate" in them can be used in powers that don't require a to-hit check. I know there are some of these for to-hit debuffs, but don't know what they are. Healing sets make it easier to understand since the phrase "to hit" doesn't appear twice:
Accurate Healing: Dark Regeneration, <the dark misama heal>, etc
Healing: pretty much any heal, regen, or +hp power. (Energize, Healing Flames, etc)
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If I slot for to hit will it also lower the chance for accuracy check ones too or just to hit ones?
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Originally Posted by MayorOfAngrytown
"Accurate" sets are for powers that require a to-hit check to function, heals like Dark Regeneration and to-hit debuffs like your dark melee attacks, for example.
Sets without the word "Accurate" in them can be used in powers that don't require a to-hit check. I know there are some of these for to-hit debuffs, but don't know what they are. Healing sets make it easier to understand since the phrase "to hit" doesn't appear twice: Accurate Healing: Dark Regeneration, <the dark misama heal>, etc Healing: pretty much any heal, regen, or +hp power. (Energize, Healing Flames, etc) |
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Um, seems to me you have become confused as this a problem relating to your understanding of the attack mechanics. As far as i know there is no such this has an "accuracy check" in the same sense as a "to hit check." |
Originally Posted by Malin0001
If I slot for to hit will it also lower the chance for accuracy check ones too or just to hit ones?
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I'm not sure where to start so... "requires a tohit check" basically means a power can miss. and it uses this formula to figure out if it will miss or not: (from the wiki)
HitChance = Clamp( AccMods × Clamp( BaseHitChance + ToHitMods DefMods ) )
* BaseHitChance is what the attack's chance of hitting would be if there were no modifiers at all no Enhancements, no buffs, no level differences, nothing
* ToHitMods is the sum of all ToHit buffs and debuffs (the debuffs will be negative)
* DefMods is the sum of all relevant Defense buffs and debuffs (ditto)
* AccMods is the product of all Accuracy multipliers
* Clamp(x) limits x to the range of 5% to 95%
ToHitMods and DefMods are 0 by default. AccMods defaults to 1.
BaseHitChance for players is ALWAYS 75% unless modified by the purple patch.
ToHitMods These comes from powers like Tactics, rage/build ups, and yellow insp. Enhancements and set bonus NEVER do this (except for this Kismet: Accuracy, which actually is Tohit not accuracy)
DefMods pretty simple, any def or def debuffs the target has on them
AccMods Now, this is almost ALWAYS from enhancements and sets.
HitChance For final chance you have of hitting your target. You want this at 95% (at which point you still have a 5% chance to miss your target) as often as possible.
Now whats different from Accurate Healing/tohit/debuff sets and Normal Healing/tohit/debuff sets is that the Accurate Healing/tohit/debuff sets will give you AccMods, often at the result of a loss of the other stats. And of course, they can only be used in powers that "require a tohit check," i.e. powers that can miss.
One important thing to take note of is that in Mids where is says all the stats for a power (dmg, rech, end cost, etc) it will say accuracy. THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY ACCURACY, its actually for HitChance. It's even more wrong because it doesn't cap at 95% it might say a power has 200% but its still only 95% HitChance.
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So if i understand this right:|
Originally Posted by ultrawatt
Um, seems to me you have become confused as this a problem relating to your understanding of the attack mechanics. As far as i know there is no such this has an "accuracy check" in the same sense as a "to hit check."
I'm not sure where to start so... "requires a tohit check" basically means a power can miss. and it uses this formula to figure out if it will miss or not: (from the wiki) HitChance = Clamp( AccMods × Clamp( BaseHitChance + ToHitMods – DefMods ) ) * BaseHitChance is what the attack's chance of hitting would be if there were no modifiers at all – no Enhancements, no buffs, no level differences, nothing * ToHitMods is the sum of all ToHit buffs and debuffs (the debuffs will be negative) * DefMods is the sum of all relevant Defense buffs and debuffs (ditto) * AccMods is the product of all Accuracy multipliers * Clamp(x) limits x to the range of 5% to 95% ToHitMods and DefMods are 0 by default. AccMods defaults to 1. BaseHitChance for players is ALWAYS 75% unless modified by the purple patch. ToHitMods These comes from powers like Tactics, rage/build ups, and yellow insp. Enhancements and set bonus NEVER do this (except for this Kismet: Accuracy, which actually is Tohit not accuracy) DefMods pretty simple, any def or def debuffs the target has on them AccMods Now, this is almost ALWAYS from enhancements and sets. HitChance For final chance you have of hitting your target. You want this at 95% (at which point you still have a 5% chance to miss your target) as often as possible. Now whats different from Accurate Healing/tohit/debuff sets and Normal Healing/tohit/debuff sets is that the Accurate Healing/tohit/debuff sets will give you AccMods, often at the result of a loss of the other stats. And of course, they can only be used in powers that "require a tohit check," i.e. powers that can miss. One important thing to take note of is that in Mids where is says all the stats for a power (dmg, rech, end cost, etc) it will say accuracy. THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY ACCURACY, its actually for HitChance. It's even more wrong because it doesn't cap at 95% it might say a power has 200% but its still only 95% HitChance. |
If i go with the accurate to hit debuff this will kill the AccMods of the formula and the to hit will debuff the final total end product (HitChance)
So the formula would be this:
HitChance = Clamp( AccMods × Clamp( BaseHitChance + ToHitMods – DefMods ) )
HitChance = SO's stoled x (75+Tactics, rage/build ups, and yellow insp- targets total defense values for a particular attack)
With this in mind would it be better to use hit chance debuffs then accuracy to hit debuffs?
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I'm starting a new brute under the idea that my primary power debuff's my foes ACC and my secondary powers is total +def. To that end im going to use the alpha Muscular Core Paragon, and the interface Diamagnetic Core Flawless Interface.
On a side note i was wondering whats the difference between Accurate to-hit debuff and to hit debuff. To me they sound like they do the same thing
This is the powers I'm thinking of getting. Need feedback on build and what would be best to slot it as.
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Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Smite -- Empty(A), Empty(3), Empty(11), Empty(36), Empty(37), Empty(40)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- Empty(A), Empty(5), Empty(15), Empty(45), Empty(45), Empty(45)
Level 2: Shadow Maul -- Empty(A), Empty(3), Empty(11), Empty(36), Empty(37), Empty(40)
Level 4: Focused Senses -- Empty(A), Empty(5), Empty(15), Empty(48), Empty(48)
Level 6: Touch of Fear -- Empty(A), Empty(7), Empty(7), Empty(36), Empty(50), Empty(50)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- Empty(A), Empty(9), Empty(9), Empty(23), Empty(23), Empty(37)
Level 10: Practiced Brawler -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Agile -- Empty(A), Empty(13), Empty(13), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(46)
Level 14: Fly -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Dodge -- Empty(A), Empty(17), Empty(17)
Level 18: Dark Consumption -- Empty(A), Empty(19), Empty(19), Empty(40), Empty(42), Empty(42)
Level 20: Evasion -- Empty(A), Empty(21), Empty(21)
Level 22: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Tough -- Empty(A), Empty(25), Empty(25)
Level 26: Soul Drain -- Empty(A), Empty(27), Empty(27), Empty(31), Empty(34), Empty(43)
Level 28: Lucky -- Empty(A), Empty(29), Empty(29)
Level 30: Weave -- Empty(A), Empty(31), Empty(31)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- Empty(A), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(34), Empty(34)
Level 35: Quickness -- Empty(A)
Level 38: Elude -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(39), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg(39), LkGmblr-Rchg+(39)
Level 41: Superior Conditioning -- Empty(A), Empty(42)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- Empty(A)
Level 47: Focused Accuracy -- Empty(A), Empty(48)
Level 49: Maneuvers -- Empty(A), Empty(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- Empty(A), Empty(43), Empty(43)
Level 4: Ninja Run
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