Power Proliferate Dark Miasma and Dark Blast please
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-04-13 19:14 in Suggestions and Ideas
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Well, for doms, we'd have to have a new Dark Assault set, which would be an amalgam of Dark Melee and Dark Blast. And throwing in a Dark Control and Dark Manipulation set would be awesome too. Hopefully, Soul Drain ends up in the manip |
Originally Posted by Lycanus
I'm a firm believer that every AT should have access to every power source and blasters, trollers and dominators are currently the only ones that can't get dark powers.
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.Ideas for Dark Assault:
T1) Dark Blast
T2) Smite
T3) Death Shroud (for a bit of a twist)
T4) Gloom
T5) <some utility other than Dark Consumption or Soul Drain, as they can get both in Soul Mastery. But not yet another Power Boost. Please.>
T6) Night Fall
T7) Siphon Life
T8) Moon Beam
T9) Toned down version of Blackstar (think Psi Assault's Psychic Shockwave)
Dark Manipulation:
T1) Redone version of Warshades' ST immob, Gravimetric Snare
T2) Shadow Punch
T3) Smite
T4) Petrifying Gaze
T5) Dark Consumption
T6) Soul Drain
T7) Siphon Life
T8) Midnight Grasp
T9) Soul Transfer
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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler
Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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Your version of Dark Manipulation makes snese to, the only comment I'd have is on Siphon Life (see below).
Regarding Dark Blast I think there are two issues the devs would need to consider.
The first is Nightstar. When the PPPs were proliferated Blasters got the ability to take Nightstar and the devs have generally opposed a character getting two powers with the same name (this was pointed out to them at the time but ignored). Honestly though I'd say keep Nightstar anyway and if necessary rename it, it's a good chunk of Dark Blast's AoE damage. The second issue is Life Drain, from a balance point of view I can see the devs not wanting a Dark/Dark Blaster to have both Life Drain and Siphon Life. I think I'd replace Life Drain with a "standard" 3rd ST Blast (think Power Burst with -to hit instead of kb).
somewhat related, somewhat unrelated... I find it incredibly lame that Khelds don't get access to epic pools. My warshade picked up 4 powers he never uses (not counting the crappy shield and blast that were forced at levels 1 and 2) that are only there for lotg procs... I see no reason for Epic Powers to be denied. >
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There really aren't any Dark themed self buff powers that they can readily put into the set. I kind of think they might consider Siphon Life as the utility power. With an order more like:|
Originally Posted by ArcticFahx
Well, for doms, we'd have to have a new Dark Assault set, which would be an amalgam of Dark Melee and Dark Blast. And throwing in a Dark Control and Dark Manipulation set would be awesome too. Hopefully, Soul Drain ends up in the manip
.Ideas for Dark Assault: T1) Dark Blast T2) Smite T3) Death Shroud (for a bit of a twist) T4) Gloom T5) <some utility other than Dark Consumption or Soul Drain, as they can get both in Soul Mastery. But not yet another Power Boost. Please.> T6) Night Fall T7) Siphon Life T8) Moon Beam T9) Toned down version of Blackstar (think Psi Assault's Psychic Shockwave) Dark Manipulation: T1) Redone version of Warshades' ST immob, Gravimetric Snare T2) Shadow Punch T3) Smite T4) Petrifying Gaze T5) Dark Consumption T6) Soul Drain T7) Siphon Life T8) Midnight Grasp T9) Soul Transfer |
1 Dark Blast
2 Shadow Punch (6s rech)
4 Gloom
10 Shadow Maul
16 Smite (10s rech)
20 Siphon Life
28 Night Fall
35 Moonbeam
38 Midnight Grasp
If they wanted something fancier, maybe turn it into Absorb Life. Melee minor dmg, self heal, self +Max HP for say 30s. Give it a 60-90sec recharge. Basically mini Dull Pain that requires a Tohit roll.
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Your version of Dark Manipulation makes snese to, the only comment I'd have is on Siphon Life (see below).
Regarding Dark Blast I think there are two issues the devs would need to consider. The first is Nightstar. When the PPPs were proliferated Blasters got the ability to take Nightstar and the devs have generally opposed a character getting two powers with the same name (this was pointed out to them at the time but ignored). Honestly though I'd say keep Nightstar anyway and if necessary rename it, it's a good chunk of Dark Blast's AoE damage. The second issue is Life Drain, from a balance point of view I can see the devs not wanting a Dark/Dark Blaster to have both Life Drain and Siphon Life. I think I'd replace Life Drain with a "standard" 3rd ST Blast (think Power Burst with -to hit instead of kb). |
With regard to Life Drain/Siphon Life, IMO they should just buff Life Drain (for all sets) the same way they did Siphon Life. Make it into a standard T3 blast +heal, and leave Siphon Life out of Dark Manipulation entirely. Give them Touch of Fear instead.
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Blasters are unlikely to get Life Drain or Siphon Life in any set they get proliferated.
Blasters have never had access to a true self heal aside from Aid Self, and I believe that is by design of the AT (No, Drain Psyche does not count as a self heal, if you use it with a sliver of health while taking damage it isn't going to save you.
I think the fact that blasters can get both Tenebrous Tentacles and Night Fall through Patron Pools is evidence that either A) They will never get Dark Blast or B) It will be gutted worse than Psychic Blast was.
I'm not really against the idea of them getting it, I just don't think it's going to happen. At least not in the form that people want.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Blasters have never had access to a true self heal aside from Aid Self, and I believe that is by design of the AT (No, Drain Psyche does not count as a self heal, if you use it with a sliver of health while taking damage it isn't going to save you.
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For two, Siphon Life and Life Drain aren't true self heals. Reconstruction, Dull Pain, Healing Flames, Kuji-in Sha, Radiant Aura, etc. These, are true self heals. SL/LD are attack/heal/debuff hybrid powers. There is no rule stating blasters can not have HP recovery and no precedence for such a rule besides the fact that blast sets do not *have* heals except dark blast.
That said, I think it's spot in either Dark Blast or Dark Manipulation is rather a waste. Dark sets are suppose to have good hybrid control and debuff with only moderate damage (with moderate DoT). Many of the suggested sets seem undecided to ditch this route and go in a reformed direction of 'moar damage' for blasters or just tone down some of the utility and keep the theme's downfalls. If SL/LD stay, I expect the set(s) to be greater with the debuff/utility/control but lesser for damage. If SL/LD is exchanged, I expect better damage and/or a compromise of keeping better control (like keeping Dark Pit).
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I just want Dark Miasma proliferated so I can make a Controller with 4 Fear powers (5 if I pick up Fear Incarnate).
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
I am running one Tank all of 2011, started in January. May end early if I get over 1000 badges. Currently into my second week of trials, creeping towards 5 tier 4s. Anyways, I am looking at Brute or Blaster as my next main. I have traditionally been a Brute player. But if we got Dark Blast on blaster, I could see me going there. Big challenge, but way cool. Currently the only Blast power I come close to loving is Energy, and, well, knockback. I feel both gipped that the secondary adds nothing against high end content, and frustrated that during low end stuff my team hates me. Even though I have learned the uses of KB, I would strip it from Energy if I could, for just about any other secondary effect. But conceptually it is just easy to get behind an energy blaster and make a character. Same with Dark Blast. I could make a character that uses Dark Blast energy up every day and not run out of concept ideas for months.
While I completely lost interest in Blasters, I still feel they need to have Dark Blast proliferated to them.
More as a general thing, we're overdue for another proliferation Issue. Seriously, why is this such a low priority? It should be obvious to anyone with a data sample that not all people play all ATs very much and that many people have favourite ATs they prefer to play. Proliferate sets between them and you let players eat their cake and have it, too, you give them more options and everybody wins.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I'm a firm believer that every AT should have access to every power source and blasters, trollers and dominators are currently the only ones that can't get dark powers.
Granted, the thing that convinced me to post right now is trying to think of the best way to play Lusca Kraken from this snippet and plant/dark blast would give tentacles yes:
"Is someone in immediate danger?" the girl asked, turning to look at what seemed to be empty air. "Then I can't help you right now."
She turned away from the empty air a moment and went back to moving through the wounded looking for the injuries that required the most immediate attention.
"I'm trying to keep more people from dying right now," she said wearily over her shoulder. "I shall try to help the already dead after that. In the meantime, all of you might find ways to make yourselves useful and see if you can find ways to direct people to the wounded. There is plenty of energy in the air to make use of."
Satomi didn't slow down as she settled on a man who looked fine.
"Internal, bleeding here," she said quickly. "I'll stabilize him."
"Miss Satomi," the doctor said, moving over to the girl's side. "Perhaps you should lie down again."
Eija looked up, eyes red out to the visible edges of the sphere.
"No, I am fine," she said sighing. "I'm not that tired yet."
"You were just talking to thin air," the man noted for a moment.
"Hmmm, oh," Eija noted. "That was a ghost."
"A ghost?" the man said. "Of course. We have Gods and Demons, why not ghosts. How many ghosts are around?"
"Too many," Eija said quietly. "Way too many."
How are things going? Kaname asked.
I think things are slowing down, Eija said. We seem to be winning.
That is good, a faint but strengthening sound trickled to their minds.
Kaname and Eija both paused in thought though Eija didn't let the mild surprise distract her from her medical duties.
Sousuke? was asked simultaneously with Sousuke-kun?
Affirmative the mercenary said. Apparently, I'm now a part of this link.
One moment please. Eija said, putting away her worry of this event as she regarded something going on around her.
Making sure to leave one hand on the patient, she stood up and looked around, putting herself protectively before the patients as a collection of men in the guise of civilians broke in to the tent brandishing firearms.
So...we're...all three connected now, Kaname said nervously.
"You are our captives and now you will cease to provide aid and comfort to the enemies of hea..." the man was interrupted as Eija turned to look calmly away from them.
Should that bother us? Sousuke asked. The conversion was supposed to prevent this.
"If you'd please, I seem to be busy," Eija told a many-braided brunette girl off to the side.
Bullets tore out of the guns directed at them as a blue field extended outward from Eija and blocked the shots. Really, Eija noted, bullets after she knew they were there and had time to prepare.
Mara, could you answer me a question, Kaname asked nervously, Eija and Sousuke hearing her thoughts as they were connected to the statement.
"That," Lusca said stepping forward with a frown, "is not funny."
Tentacles erupted out of the ground and nearly any other nearby surface as the girl walked forward. On tentacle darted in from outside the tent and pulled one of the terrorists out screaming as others lashed out to grab guns and bad guys, pulling them down to ground.
Okay, I'm clear again.
What occurred? Sousuke asked.
A handful of human cultists got into the medical area, Eija said. Lusca is handling them.
Some of the tentacles seemed to be trying to pull their targets into the ground, but finding it difficult to impossible.
A wall of the summoned things ripped up between the school girl and the cultists as she pushed them out of the area and away from the injured.
Okay, Uh, Mara said the part of us that's linked can be broken into...or we can let people into...which is what she thinks happened, Kaname said with clear relief. She suggests we get our marks checked for damage, but doesn't think it will be a problem.
Eija and Dr. Hasuke watched as two of the men, the lower half of their faces covered by a turn of the tendrils, tried to fight being pulled out of the tent as Lusca left. The men left huge furrows and traces of blood as fingers cracked in the attempt not to be pulled out into the outside.
"Why isn't she in the fight?" the doctor asked turning back to the patient as the crisis passed.
"All the category three Demons are performing support roles," Eija said, retuning all her focus on the man whose life they were trying to save. "And she's Demoness of Crushing. So..."
"Yes, I know, she's been 'applying pressure'," the doctor said. "And that display explains some of the 'bandages' I've been seeing recently."
Eija stopped and thought about that statement.
"She makes tentacle bandages?" she asked.
Is there anything that girl doesn't answer with tentacles?
Isn't Lusca category two at least? Sousuke asked.
Yes, but she's supposed to be limited right now, Eija said. A partial binding due to her current mental state. Enough to defend herself with.
Are you sure she's actually limited? Kaname asked.
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"The battle line's been pushed ten miles from here," a soldier explained to his friend. "We're guarding a bunch of civies and back rank people. There's nothing going on back here, so don't sweat it."
"Did I hear you right soldier," an angry voice came from behind the two. "Are you going to slack off on guard duty."
The two soldiers straightened up immediately as the sergeant stepped forward into view, but not to the degree that they would around an officer.
"Ah, come on Sarge, everything's finished here," the laid back soldier said.
"Have you not heard the reports of enemy agents, cultists or crap like that, filtering into the civilian population?" the sergeant demanded.
"Oh please, what's the chance that any of those are going to be around here.
A brown tentacle rippled out of the wall on one side behind the three and passed into the damaged wall across from it. All three turned to look at the reptilian, brown mass phasing through the two walls until he started pulling back rapidly.
With the sound of a high pitched scream, the damaged brick wall exploded into debris as a man in civilian clothes and dropping what looked like a second hand AK-47 as he slammed into the next, very solid wall.
The tentacle wrapped man continued clawing at his captor and screaming as the vaguely frustrated appendage had troubles getting the man to phase through the wall.
"Awww, why don't the people go through the walls too?" a girl's voice asked with an annoyed pout.
The soldiers looked over to see a teenager standing there surrounded by struggling and flailing men trying to scream out. Another tentacle grew out of the ground at her feet and whipped out to grab the man who wouldn't go through the wall, provoking a brief tug of war between the two tentacles.
"Wait, wait," Lusca said, forcibly making herself dismiss the other tentacle so that the last of the men hurtled his way towards her. "And now to save you guys for later."
All around her, save the patch immediately underneath her, it seemed as if the ground opened up to darkness and a writhing mass of tentacles ripped up out of the darkness to grab the girl's collected prisoners down into the hole.
At which point the hole vanished away, leaving behind a little plushie octopus which the girl picked up and skipped over to the three witnessing soldiers.
"Here you go! Prisoners!" she said cheerfully.
"Thanks, kid," the sergeant said, at least trying to seem non-pulsed.
"I'm going back to helping Naiki's sister! Bye!"
She waved happily before popping into smoke and vanishing from in front of them.
"Di...did a school girl just give me a plushie gate to tentacle hell?" the formerly laid back soldier asked.
"See that, soldier, the civilians are doing your job for you," the sergeant snapped at them. "Now get that plushie to a command staff."
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