/unsigned. Too complicated.
The thread you linked is about inviting your own characters to your own SG.
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Just modify the current SG invite feature to let us invite characters that are offline.|
Originally Posted by Angelxman81
I think now we REALLY need the option to send an email SG invitation to our own alts. I can start over in a NA server and create another base from scratch, I love to have my own base, but I would need that option!
What do you guys think about it? |
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Other than not being able to invite our own characters to our SG's the SG invite feature is fine and shouldn't be tampered with.
/signed.
Maybe this idea is more of the likes of the devs.
SG email offline invitation has been suggested before with no response.
Im up whatever option that allow me to invite my own alts to my SG.
It would be a nice QoL improvement.
I'm still /signed
I think its a good idea and has more use than being used solely as a means to invite ones own alts. Its also very cool in a thematic way.
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The SG invite feature... mostly, yes. For direct invites. It's very simple and straightforward to right click and invite or /sgi charactername. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Other than not being able to invite our own characters to our SG's the SG invite feature is fine and shouldn't be tampered with. |
However, what DOES need work is the registrar's page. Go in and look for a supergroup. You can't tell what the group's about outside of the description. If you looked for one, saw one that sounded interesting and wanted to join... then what? You don't get any contact information unless someone has put it in (and updated it!)
Other than paying rent, the registrar is pretty useless.
For instance, say you were looking for a VG on protector. You run across mine - "Government Surplus." For whatever strange reason (perhaps you're drunk?) it sounds like JUST the thing and you decide "Hey, I'd like to join that." What do you do?
The group's description doesn't have my contact info. There's absolutely no way to get in touch with me. So you sigh and move on.
(Alternately, and I mentioned this - hmm, think it was last year - I'd been trying to get in touch with a group a former SG leader had coalitioned. Had no contact info for them whatsoever. Checked the registrar, they had plenty of prestige, but no contact info in the description either. Ended up just waiting, then breaking the coalition without knowing if the group was active or needing the porters or whatever.)
That interface needs a revamp, with more relevant information, and having a way for others who are interested to contact the leaders or ask for membership (or, for the SG itself, mark itself as "Not accepting members" to disable that feature) would be right in line with it.
Of course, I expect this neglected interface to be changed about a year after they fix PVP and it becomes wildly popular....
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That's not unusual. The devs rarely tell us in advance what they are adding to the game. The earliest we find out is when something accidentally slips onto the live servers or once they let everyone into open beta testing.|
Originally Posted by Angelxman81
SG email offline invitation has been suggested before with no response.
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We went years without a lot of things we begged for constantly.
Whips
Dual Pistols
Emailing inf and items
merging the red and blue market
sideswitching
inherent fitness
power customization
merging the NA and EU server lists
to name a few.
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Agreed 110%.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
The SG invite feature... mostly, yes. For direct invites. It's very simple and straightforward to right click and invite or /sgi charactername.
However, what DOES need work is the registrar's page. Go in and look for a supergroup. You can't tell what the group's about outside of the description. If you looked for one, saw one that sounded interesting and wanted to join... then what? You don't get any contact information unless someone has put it in (and updated it!) Other than paying rent, the registrar is pretty useless. For instance, say you were looking for a VG on protector. You run across mine - "Government Surplus." For whatever strange reason (perhaps you're drunk?) it sounds like JUST the thing and you decide "Hey, I'd like to join that." What do you do? The group's description doesn't have my contact info. There's absolutely no way to get in touch with me. So you sigh and move on. (Alternately, and I mentioned this - hmm, think it was last year - I'd been trying to get in touch with a group a former SG leader had coalitioned. Had no contact info for them whatsoever. Checked the registrar, they had plenty of prestige, but no contact info in the description either. Ended up just waiting, then breaking the coalition without knowing if the group was active or needing the porters or whatever.) That interface needs a revamp, with more relevant information, and having a way for others who are interested to contact the leaders or ask for membership (or, for the SG itself, mark itself as "Not accepting members" to disable that feature) would be right in line with it. Of course, I expect this neglected interface to be changed about a year after they fix PVP and it becomes wildly popular.... |
Hope they working on it, now that we getting a server list merge, it makes sense more than ever.
Lots of people that will move alts is going to lose bases and/or see their SGs affected.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
Hope they working on it, now that we getting a server list merge, it makes sense more than ever.
Lots of people that will move alts is going to lose bases and/or see their SGs affected. |
While everyone is entitled to move their alts if they want to, they don't necessarily have to do it. There's a lot to be said for starting over with a clean slate.
Picture this scenario.
EU players start new characters on the NA server's and join the Mentors Project
Link here: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=212083
Then in return repay NA players migrating to the EU servers with the same treatment.
Hmm. This has the makings of a great suggestion. I think I'll make it.
If we were allowed to invite our own alts to our own SGs, this might get me to give a rat's *** about SGs again, if you'll pardon my English. I've always wanted to bundle up my own characters into their own SGs based on character concept, but this means I need an outside player to act as the doorman, and it means that my Super Leader always gets demoted and it's a hassle and a half to get him re-promoted, only for him to be demoted a month later.
While I'm sure a SG application process would be great for groups of actual different people playing together, I'd still prefer a simpler process of inviting MY OWN alts.
In fact, if I'm inviting my own character, can we just skip the confirmation and just invite that character straight away? I'm inviting MYSELF, are we honestly expecting that I might refuse my own invitation for myself? That'd be like asking myself for permission to pour myself a drink. I could, but what would be the point?
So here's my suggestion - make inviting a character that belongs to you to a SG result in an instant invitation (provided you have the right to invite) without needing you to switch characters and accept your own invitation.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Yes please to offline invites and promotions/demotions.
Offline invites have been on the BIG LIST for Base Luv for years, and is one of the most requested features for base/SG luvin.
That said, I do not think the OP's suggested implementation is the best. It's way too convoluted. A straightforward (gl)e-mail invite would be the best solution, IMO.
As for the mention of the registrar being useless... well, I have to ask, is that the registrar's fault, or the fault of those who (don't) use it to it's full potential? The tool IS there, all one has to do is include a contact name for people to (gl)e-mail (hint: to do this, include the info in the description box of your SG settings page).
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This is was the intent of the OP. SGs/VGs and bases have been neglected for a long time. I say an overhaul is well overdue. |
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
The SG invite feature... mostly, yes. For direct invites. It's very simple and straightforward to right click and invite or /sgi charactername.
However, what DOES need work is the registrar's page. Go in and look for a supergroup. You can't tell what the group's about outside of the description. If you looked for one, saw one that sounded interesting and wanted to join... then what? You don't get any contact information unless someone has put it in (and updated it!) Other than paying rent, the registrar is pretty useless. For instance, say you were looking for a VG on protector. You run across mine - "Government Surplus." For whatever strange reason (perhaps you're drunk?) it sounds like JUST the thing and you decide "Hey, I'd like to join that." What do you do? The group's description doesn't have my contact info. There's absolutely no way to get in touch with me. So you sigh and move on. (Alternately, and I mentioned this - hmm, think it was last year - I'd been trying to get in touch with a group a former SG leader had coalitioned. Had no contact info for them whatsoever. Checked the registrar, they had plenty of prestige, but no contact info in the description either. Ended up just waiting, then breaking the coalition without knowing if the group was active or needing the porters or whatever.) That interface needs a revamp, with more relevant information, and having a way for others who are interested to contact the leaders or ask for membership (or, for the SG itself, mark itself as "Not accepting members" to disable that feature) would be right in line with it. |
For those that think an interface from the registrar to register for an invite to an SG is too complicated, my question to you is how are you expecting to even get a global handle to send an email to? The registrar screen needs to be redone to allow for players to request invitation to an SG IF that SG is accepting new members. Now, an email could be sent automatically to the SG leaders and/or anyone with the ability to invite and the email could contain all the information about the player without requiring the player to fill it in at registration time. After all, all the information about everyone is in a database. A note from the inquiring player would really be the only thing that would be needed, but it should be optional.
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There's also one other item - we had the whole "superleader" bit pushed on us, so let's make it useful. Unlike filling out the info at the registrar for the SG, which is static information and may be out of date, if it's automatically sent to the 'superleader,' there's a far better chance of that email being read and/or the membership accepted. |
Originally Posted by CodeJunkie
This is was the intent of the OP. SGs/VGs and bases have been neglected for a long time. I say an overhaul is well overdue.
For those that think an interface from the registrar to register for an invite to an SG is too complicated, my question to you is how are you expecting to even get a global handle to send an email to? The registrar screen needs to be redone to allow for players to request invitation to an SG IF that SG is accepting new members. Now, an email could be sent automatically to the SG leaders and/or anyone with the ability to invite and the email could contain all the information about the player without requiring the player to fill it in at registration time. After all, all the information about everyone is in a database. A note from the inquiring player would really be the only thing that would be needed, but it should be optional. |
As an example, say player - making up a global - @Cityguy made a supergroup three years ago. Got a few friends into it, and dutifully filled out the SG description with "If you want to join, send a tell to @cityguy and let me know!" Well, @Cityguy got bored of that global. He has a new main, and plays them almost exclusively. He changed his global to @Riktismasher two years ago - but, never really seeing that screen again (after all, he's still active, the SG still is, why would he edit it?) he never changed his global. So anyone trying to send a tell to @cityguy, well...
Or the original person leaves, and someone new is running it, who again never edited the info (they let others deal with details like paying rent, they got the SG and are on every week or two and don't really think about leadership, but nobody else bugs them about it.) So that contact info never gets updated.
For Kat - Yes, the registrar's screen is useless:
You can absolutely say one of them is new. Two wanted to make sure to say they were new when they were, but we don't know when that was. Other than prestige levels, there's not much you can say about almost any of them - levels don't really show activity (they could have burned a bunch on a recent spate of base building, could not be in SG mode, etc,) membership, group interests (one mentions being Kheldian related, one - later - mentions stormies) or even if they're active right now or not. No contact data (scrolling down, I think I saw a total of two, and one's an assumption from the RP info there.)
That screen may as well not exist for all the good it does.
Howdy. So I made this comment in another thread, referring to emailing SG invites. I said I would prefer if characters just talked to the SG Registrar to request invites. It got a pretty positive response, so I figured what the heck, give it a proper Suggestion thread and see what folks think.
I'll just copy-paste my post from the original thread:
I vote they don't use email at all, but do everything through the registrar instead.
- The SG changes its setting to "Accepting Membership Applications"
- The character looking to join files a request form with the Registrar. This includes certain information about the applicant such as character name, global name, level and archetype, and a short note. Possibly also a link to pop open the character's Info Box, letting the SG view their description and power choices.
- The SG (probably any member that has invite privileges) decides whether to accept or reject the application.
This removes the pesky issue of sending something through gleemail that can only be claimed on one server or by one character. And it makes sense thematically too, talking to the SG Registrar to perform SG-related tasks.