Enhancement slotting


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not sure if this is the right spot or not but it's about enhancements, and more importantly io sets so.. yeah


anyway everybody knows (i hope) that slotting 3 ehancements of 1 type gives you the best reward, as after the 3rd the rest will bring down the percentages of all the ehnacements to be less then 3 enhancements.. (in example : 3 dmg enhancements = better then 6 dmg enhancements in 1 slot as the diminishing returns of having 6 dmg enhancements makes your boost = in total less then the returns of 3 damage ehnancements

unless i'm in correct, i know it used to be like that in 2009 before i took a break.
but anyway, does this rule apply to io sets?
also do io sets all have to be in the same power to get the bonuses? or can i have i.e. 3 enhancements from the set in one power, and the other 3 enhancements from the set in another power, and still get all their yummy bonuses?


 

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Enhancement Diversification (ED) does not begin taking points away when slotting more than 3, it just lessens the amount of the enhancements... (for example, 3 Damage SOs would give you ~97%. If you slotted 6 damage enhancements, you would get ~110%)

For the calculations, check the wiki: (ED also applies to IO Sets)
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Enhanc...iversification

As for set bonuses, yes they have to be slotted in the same power to get them. You can only slot one of each enhancement per power. (unless it's unique, then you can only slot one anywhere in your build)

For example, you could slot a Thunderstrike (Acc/Dam) and a Thunderstrike (Dam/End) in the same power and you would get a 2% recovery bonus, but you couldn't slot two Thunderstrike (Acc/Dam) IOs in the same power to get the bonus.

And if you slotted a Thunderstrike (Acc/Dam) in two different powers, you would only get the Acc/Dam enhancements; no set bonuses.


 

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Short version: what Watt said.

Longer version: You remembered the right result [only slot 3 of one thing] but not quite the right math. SO's 4 through 6 get you less, total, than slot 3 did, but they do get you SOMETHING.

The math goes by total percentage, so if you have an Acc/Dam/Rech, an Acc/Dam/End, and a Dam/End/Rech each giving 20%/20%/20% (which they would at roughly level 45) Enhancement Diversification sees that as "60% Damage, no ED applies" instead of "three Damage enhancements, apply ED."


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The "slot three" rule really only applies when you're talking about SO's and common IO's that give close to the same value as an SO. (so 25-35 or something like that).

The diminishing returns (Enhancement Diversification, or ED) don't care how many enhancements you have slotted. It cares only what your bonus is.

Check the Paragon wiki link that Watt posted for the details but when you're talking about level 50ish IO's you can kind of go with a "slot two and a half" rule. Although I tend to look at the exact numbers in Mid's, and I also pay more attention to the Set bonuses I want and then find a way to make the enhancement values come out to be acceptable.


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Also, if you slot 3 enhancements from one IO set into one power, and then slot either those same three or three different enhancements from that same IO set into a different power, then you will not get the bonus from 6 slotting that set. You will however get the bonus for slotting it 3 times, and you'll get that bonus twice. You can stack the bonus 5 times.

When it counts the bonuses you have, towards that limit of 5, it doesn't look at the name of the IO set. It doesn't even, technically, look at the amount of the bonus. What it looks at is the name of the bonus. The bonuses have names like "small endurance increase". For all intents and purposes the name of the bonus is the amount of the bonus... except for the Luck of the Gambler 7.5% recharge bonus, in which the name is a little bit different, so you can stack the LotG 7.5% five times, and then stack other 7.5% recharge bonuses 5 times. So that could be 37.5% from the LotGs and another 37.5% from five other sets each giving a 7.5% bonus. Plus maybe a few sets giving a 5% bonus, and a few giving a 10% bonus, etc.

So you can stack a 1.5% regeneration bonus five times, for 7.5%, no matter how many or how few different IO sets it takes to get there: the same set 5 times, or 5 different sets once each.

I hope I didn't just make things even more confusing.


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nobody answered the question if IOsets suffer from diminishing returns D:


 

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Originally Posted by homsikpanda_EU View Post
nobody answered the question if IOsets suffer from diminishing returns D:
yes they do.


 

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Originally Posted by homsikpanda_EU View Post
nobody answered the question if IOsets suffer from diminishing returns D:
The sets, yes, the set bonuses, no - although you're limited to 5 of each bonus across a single character (So having 6 +5% Recharge bonuses gives you exactly the same bonus as having 5 +5% Recharge bonuses).


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Originally Posted by homsikpanda_EU View Post
nobody answered the question if IOsets suffer from diminishing returns D:
That's not what you asked. You asked if the "rule" of slotting only three applies. The answer to that is actually that the rule of slotting three isn't a rule, it's a vague guideline, and no it doesn't apply to IO sets because they use different values than SO's. So "slot three" goes out the window.

However, yes, ED does apply to sets pieces. It applies to anything you slot in your powers. It does not care (it doesn't even know) what kind of an enhancement the bonus comes from. It only cares what the bonus is.


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Originally Posted by homsikpanda_EU View Post
nobody answered the question if IOsets suffer from diminishing returns D:
Just to be perfectly clear, the second post in the thread said:
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Originally Posted by Wyatt_Earp View Post
For the calculations, check the wiki: (ED also applies to IO Sets)
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Enhanc...iversification
I bolded and colored the relevant text. The post does not show as having been edited, so that was there all along.


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