Alpha slot not working?
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DarkGob,
Posted on: 2011-02-20 10:28 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
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Recharge from the Alpha Slot isn't "global recharge".|
Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight
Slotting Spiritual boost into his Alpha slot should should bring his global recharge up to 139.5%
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And only a small percent of the standard "common" boost ignores E.D.
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Alpha_Slot_Abilities
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From the official CoH website:|
Originally Posted by Maelwys
Recharge from the Alpha Slot isn't "global recharge".
And only a small percent of the standard "common" boost ignores E.D. http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Alpha_Slot_Abilities |
Spiritual Boost [Common]
For all powers: Increases Recharge Rate by 33%.
One-sixth of these bonuses ignore the effects of enhancement diminishing returns.
I'm getting NO benefit from Spiritual Boost unless Hasten and Domination aren't considered powers. There is no difference in the recharge speed of my powers at all between having Spiritual Boost slotted or removing it from the Alpha Slot.
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Domination isn't affected by the Alpha Slot because it can't be enhanced. Hasten should be though. Go onto your enhancement screen and look at the real numbers for Hasten before and after equipping your Alpha Slot. it may only be a difference of a couple seconds with the Common boost, but it should be different.
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Yep, that's where it shows up in 'real numbers', not the Combat Attributes screen.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
Domination isn't affected by the Alpha Slot because it can't be enhanced. Hasten should be though. Go onto your enhancement screen and look at the real numbers for Hasten before and after equipping your Alpha Slot. it may only be a difference of a couple seconds with the Common boost, but it should be different.
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Look at a power that can take recharge but currently doesn't have any recharge slotted: it will say there's 33% recharge in that power... that's from the Alpha Slot. Unfortunately, the amount that the Alpha Slot is giving to that power isn't broken out into a separate number like the IO Set Bonuses are in the Combat Attribute window.
If you have an Alpha Recharge universal enhancement, it only effect powers that can take a Recharge Enhancement.
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For the blaster, real numbers shows hasten's recharge, at level 50 with Hasten slotted with 3 level 50 Common Recharge IOs, as 3 minutes 35 seconds whether the Alpha is empty or slotted with Spiritual Boost.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
Domination isn't affected by the Alpha Slot because it can't be enhanced. Hasten should be though. Go onto your enhancement screen and look at the real numbers for Hasten before and after equipping your Alpha Slot. it may only be a difference of a couple seconds with the Common boost, but it should be different.
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For the Dom, real numbers shows hasten's recharge, at level 50 with Hasten slotted with 3 level 35 Common Recharge IOs, as 3 minutes 38 seconds whether the Alpha is empty or slotted with Spiritual Boost.
-Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein.
-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
-When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson
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The time for recharge on my Hasten makes a dramatic jump when Spiritual is slotted or not.|
Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight
For the blaster, real numbers shows hasten's recharge, at level 50 with Hasten slotted with 3 level 50 Common Recharge IOs, as 3 minutes 35 seconds whether the Alpha is empty or slotted with Spiritual Boost.
For the Dom, real numbers shows hasten's recharge, at level 50 with Hasten slotted with 3 level 35 Common Recharge IOs, as 3 minutes 38 seconds whether the Alpha is empty or slotted with Spiritual Boost. |
Look at a power that isn't slotted for recharge but can be, it should say 33% recharge. If it doesn't, that means Alpha isn't working for you at all.
Are you currently exemplared at 44 or lower?
Try zoning or relogging.
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Ok I re-read this. For the Dom, from the enhacenment screen, it's showing as 3 minutes 48 seconds without the Spiritual Boost and 3 minutes 38 seconds with the Spiritual Boost.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Yep, that's where it shows up in 'real numbers', not the Combat Attributes screen.
Look at a power that can take recharge but currently doesn't have any recharge slotted: it will say there's 33% recharge in that power... that's from the Alpha Slot. Unfortunately, the amount that the Alpha Slot is giving to that power isn't broken out into a separate number like the IO Set Bonuses are in the Combat Attribute window. If you have an Alpha Recharge universal enhancement, it only effect powers that can take a Recharge Enhancement. |
Clicking on the info button on the power shows 3 minutes 48 seconds in both cases.
The info from the official site and from the different displays is quite misleading. This isn't nearly as potent as it looks.
-Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein.
-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
-When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson
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You only have the Common boost. Uncommon, Rare and Very Rare boosts bypass more ED, up to 2/3 of the boost (so on your 3 recharge-slotted Hasten, approximately 22% with the VR). Also, a power's improvement by a given Alpha boost will not be as much as another power's if the first power is already ED-capped while the second power isn't slotted at all. You also get a level shift with the Rare and Very Rare boosts.|
Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight
Ok I re-read this. For the Dom, from the enhacenment screen, it's showing as 3 minutes 48 seconds without the Spiritual Boost and 3 minutes 38 seconds with the Spiritual Boost.
Clicking on the info button on the power shows 3 minutes 48 seconds in both cases. The info from the official site and from the different displays is quite misleading. This isn't nearly as potent as it looks. |
Actually I'm a little confused by your numbers though, your recharge time without the Spiritual is 3:48? I just pulled up Mids, unless you haven't slotted Hasten at all I don't see why its recharge time is anything more than 3 minutes. 3-slotted Hasten + Spiritual Common + 96.25% global recharge should be just about enough to make it perma (depending on whether you've slotted level 30 or level 50 recharge IOs).
"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
You only have the Common boost. Uncommon, Rare and Very Rare boosts bypass more ED, up to 2/3 of the boost (so on your 3 recharge-slotted Hasten, approximately 22% with the VR). Also, a power's improvement by a given Alpha boost will not be as much as another power's if the first power is already ED-capped while the second power isn't slotted at all. You also get a level shift with the Rare and Very Rare boosts.
Actually I'm a little confused by your numbers though, your recharge time without the Spiritual is 3:48? I just pulled up Mids, unless you haven't slotted Hasten at all I don't see why its recharge time is anything more than 3 minutes. 3-slotted Hasten + Spiritual Common + 96.25% global recharge should be just about enough to make it perma (depending on whether you've slotted level 30 or level 50 recharge IOs). |
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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight
For the blaster, real numbers shows hasten's recharge, at level 50 with Hasten slotted with 3 level 50 Common Recharge IOs, as 3 minutes 35 seconds whether the Alpha is empty or slotted with Spiritual Boost.
For the Dom, real numbers shows hasten's recharge, at level 50 with Hasten slotted with 3 level 35 Common Recharge IOs, as 3 minutes 38 seconds whether the Alpha is empty or slotted with Spiritual Boost. |
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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight
Ok I re-read this. For the Dom, from the enhacenment screen, it's showing as 3 minutes 48 seconds without the Spiritual Boost and 3 minutes 38 seconds with the Spiritual Boost.
Clicking on the info button on the power shows 3 minutes 48 seconds in both cases. The info from the official site and from the different displays is quite misleading. This isn't nearly as potent as it looks. |
-Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein.
-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
-When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson
Doy, I was doing the math wrong. Mids can take into account Hasten's effect on itself, but AFAIK the in-game real numbers never do, even when the power is active.
Anyway, the rest of what I said still stands. I don't really know what you expected, but the Common boost does give a noticeable difference, albeit small, but you will notice it more and more and you proceed up the tree.
"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
You know I was curious about this as well. I chose to enhance defense with my incarnate ability and after watching my defense numbers in game once I placed my alpha slot I did notice the increase (about 4%) in defense but then after a short time the numbers went back to where they were before the enhancment.
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I wasn't expecting it to work on things that weren't affected by recharge like SoW and OWtS. I was expecting it to work on domination, just like I was expecting Nerve to help with Nem staff, Black wand, Sands, the ghost slaying axe and all of those other cool temp powers that aren't so cool because their acc sucks and can't be enhanced.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
Doy, I was doing the math wrong. Mids can take into account Hasten's effect on itself, but AFAIK the in-game real numbers never do, even when the power is active.
Anyway, the rest of what I said still stands. I don't really know what you expected, but the Common boost does give a noticeable difference, albeit small, but you will notice it more and more and you proceed up the tree. |
-Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein.
-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
-When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson
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If you were expecting it to work on those things, methinks you didn't really read everything properly, it was made very clear it worked like a global enhancement to powers, and not set bonus.
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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight
I wasn't expecting it to work on things that weren't affected by recharge like SoW and OWtS. I was expecting it to work on domination, just like I was expecting Nerve to help with Nem staff, Black wand, Sands, the ghost slaying axe and all of those other cool temp powers that aren't so cool because their acc sucks and can't be enhanced.
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
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It's wording like this that confuses people.|
Originally Posted by Mega_Jamie
If you were expecting it to work on those things, methinks you didn't really read everything properly, it was made very clear it worked like a global enhancement to powers, and not set bonus.
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The Alpha Slot is NOT a global enhancement. Global enhancements are mostly from set bonuses.
The Alpha Slot is a Global PER-POWER RESTRICTIONS Enhancement. It buffs every power that can be buffed by its effects via normal slotting. People keep calling it a global enhancement when it does not actually function as such.
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The wording has nothing to do with it. People have become so used to (and let's face it, spoiled by) set bonuses that they think the newest shiny should also work like them. Putting aside your needless pedantry, set bonuses are just powers that enhance your base attributes, they're not enhancements at all, nor do they function like them.
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Originally Posted by Lady_of_Ysgard
It's wording like this that confuses people.
The Alpha Slot is NOT a global enhancement. Global enhancements are mostly from set bonuses. The Alpha Slot is a Global PER-POWER RESTRICTIONS Enhancement. It buffs every power that can be buffed by its effects via normal slotting. People keep calling it a global enhancement when it does not actually function as such. |
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We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
This is the problem right here, this is the exact wording from the official CoH web site. The colored emphasis is mine alone.
Spiritual Boost [Common]
For all powers: Increases Recharge Rate by 33%.
One-sixth of these bonuses ignore the effects of enhancement diminishing returns.
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This is what is misleading. It says all powers. No caveats, no exceptions, no explanations.
This makes it look like it is a global boost to all powers when it's not. In actuality the low level Alpha slot boost are only good for things that you tend not to slot heavily for anyway in this case for most toons its going to be end reduction or accuracy. Most players slot their damage powers at or over the ED cap for damage and recharge.
-Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein.
-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
-When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson
Strange this still does not explain as to why on my partial radial revamp I am initially seeing the defense buff then watch it drop off. I can watch this every time I remove the slot and then reslot it.
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yeah, so a global affecting enhancement.|
Originally Posted by Lady_of_Ysgard
It's wording like this that confuses people.
The Alpha Slot is NOT a global enhancement. Global enhancements are mostly from set bonuses. The Alpha Slot is a Global PER-POWER RESTRICTIONS Enhancement. It buffs every power that can be buffed by its effects via normal slotting. People keep calling it a global enhancement when it does not actually function as such. |
using enhancement in the way that it is used in this game, as in something you put in your powers.
Now if your using in a generalised term of saying something that "generally enhances" things, then yes it could be confusing, but if you actually use the word enhancement as its used in this game, its the least confusing way of refering to it.
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
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I've seen this too but it usually drops down to something slightly higher than it was. When I look in the combat attribute screen I see the IO set bonuses sometimes go crazy right after any sort of enhancement, doubling up and such for a short time before they even out. I think that's probably what we are seeing.
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Originally Posted by Dissolution
Strange this still does not explain as to why on my partial radial revamp I am initially seeing the defense buff then watch it drop off. I can watch this every time I remove the slot and then reslot it.
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I have 2 characters that apparently aren't getting any benefit from slotting Spiritual Boost into the Alpha slot.
According to real numbers my Energy/energy/force blapper has 96.25% global recharge from set bonuses. When I slotted the Alpha with Spiritual Boost there was no change to the readout on recharge for real numbers and with hasten running + the spiritual boost, hasten should easily be perma. It's not there's only a couple of seconds of overlap and if I have been slowed at all hasten drops out.
I have a Mind/Ice/Fire Dom that I recently slotted with the Purple sleep set bringing his total global recharge up to 86.5% without hasten. Slotting Spiritual boost into his Alpha slot should should bring his global recharge up to 119.5% making Domination perma without hasten. It's not. Combat attributes is still showing 86.5% recharge and Domination is still expiring a few seconds before it recharges.
-Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein.
-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
-When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson