CoX and a RAM Drive?


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I remember there were a couple discussions recently about the plusses and minuses of running CoH from a SSD, but I'm curious if anyone has tested running it from a good old-fashioned RAM drive? I used to use one for small things around Win95-era, but is it still possible to make one with Win7? Of course, you'd have to have at least 8GB of RAM to copy the PIGG files and still have decent system memory, but I'd have to imagine it'd be wicked-fast to play this way.


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I remember there were a couple discussions recently about the plusses and minuses of running CoH from a SSD, but I'm curious if anyone has tested running it from a good old-fashioned RAM drive? I used to use one for small things around Win95-era, but is it still possible to make one with Win7? Of course, you'd have to have at least 8GB of RAM to copy the PIGG files and still have decent system memory, but I'd have to imagine it'd be wicked-fast to play this way.

Well. As we've seen from high-speed SSD setups, speeding up drive operations helps SOME. But not as much as you'd think.

In terms of straight game performance, your performance gains are negligible. This won't kill lag or rubber-banding as those usually aren't disk performance issues.

However, for zone loads, the portions of the zone load that hit your drive to load files should be lightning fast. This means that you'll hit zone/instance maps sooner. Right now I can enter maps last and still arrive on the map before some people running on hard drives.



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I seem to remember Bill Z Bubba trying it once several years ago using one of those add-in ram drive cards. He mentions it in this recent thread but I remember one back when he originally tried it. Lost to time I guess.

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PT,

Back when I was running COH on an I-RAM (PCI card with 4GB-DDR RAM and a SATA cable) my zone times were damn near nonexistent. I don't know if a real SSD will perform in the same way or not, though.

And whether SSDs in general are worth the cash yet, I also do not know.


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Yeah, loading times are exactly the area of CoX that's my biggest gripe, primarily just since Ultra Mode was introduced. I've become even more aware of this as I've been doing some rapid-fire teaming on speed LGTF runs this weekend.

The loading times are so bad that I can be the first person to click out of the mission, but by the time I finish zoning out, travelling, and zoning into the next mission, it's literally half over already, whether it be the Riders or Honoree. I can only imagine what my teammates have been thinking when I've happened to been leading because I know I'm gonna take at least 1:10-1:20 before I can actually regain control and move on to the next mission.

Any idea how much one of those cards cost or if they're even still available? The rest of my computer is acceptable for my in-game performance, albeit maxed out at 3GB of RAM, and I'd rather not increase my monthly costs of bumping up my Internet speed. If one of these will make a big difference, I'd like to try it.


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Might want to try formating your drive. Everytime COX updates it fragments the program.If you have not done it in a while.


[QUOTE=Blondeshell;3497149]Yeah, loading times are exactly the area of CoX that's my biggest gripe, primarily just since Ultra Mode was introduced. I've become even more aware of this as I've been doing some rapid-fire teaming on speed LGTF runs this weekend.


 

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Try this

http://www.hyperossystems.co.uk/

Its a ram drive so like an SSD it plugs into your drive connectors but uses standard RAM modules rather than flash memory so is a *LOT* faster


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Might want to try formating your drive. Everytime COX updates it fragments the program.If you have not done it in a while.
<spit-take>
I think you mean defragmenting your hard drive not format it.


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Wow $500 for up to 64GB thats tough to swallow, but if you got it...


 

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<spit-take>
I think you mean defragmenting your hard drive not format it.
Well......formatting it WOULD make the drive much cleaner and less fragmented...



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Wow $500 for up to 64GB thats tough to swallow, but if you got it...
I first came across it about 5 or so years ago and it was about £1000 with a max of 8Gb installed then - at £199 +RAM - its only about double the price of comparable size SSDs 6 months ago.

Not really targetted at the gaming market but for someone that needs a really fast disk that cost could be tiny compared to the time savings - remember you are talking about something thats 10X the read speed of an SSD and a lot more than that for writing.


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Six months had changed a lot, now it's right at 5 times the amount after you purchase your extra RAM for it. 64 gigs that is.

Yea I would guess it is for a select few professional sort of people. Still... wow.


 

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Yeah, as cool as that is, it's a bit outside my reach at the moment.

What I really wanted to know is if it's possible with a current version of Windows (Vista or 7) to take existing system RAM and allocate it into a separate drive. I'm thinking about the old ramdrive.exe program that you could load into the config.sys file of DOS and DOS-based versions of Windows. Is this something that's just not possible with the present structure of Windows these days, or does no one really feel the need since they can just throw better processors at it?

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Wow $500 for up to 64GB thats tough to swallow, but if you got it...
Keep in mind ram is extra, 4 or 8 gig sticks can be pricey. Though putting 8*2 would be enough for an application or two. Maybe windows if you squish it down a lot. A 32 gig drive would fit OS easily and allow for some pretty fast boot times.

Still I expect this product is aimed at commercial and business use. I bet a big ram drive would make Photoshop fly like the wind.


 

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Keep in mind ram is extra, 4 or 8 gig sticks can be pricey. Though putting 8*2 would be enough for an application or two. Maybe windows if you squish it down a lot. A 32 gig drive would fit OS easily and allow for some pretty fast boot times.

Still I expect this product is aimed at commercial and business use. I bet a big ram drive would make Photoshop fly like the wind.



I have no change in my response regardless of any other mitigating factor. That is very salty for a unit that can hold up to 64 gigs. If I am spending the initial amout for this product I am sure to purchase enough memory to make it useful for my application.

Yes a product like this more than likley is not aimed at personal use, even more specifically probably not toward the average or even the enthusiast gamer.

Interestingly the real world reviews I ran across... that is non scientific personal reviews state that they notice no real/meaningful difference between this product and a ssd they replaced.


 

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What I really wanted to know is if it's possible with a current version of Windows (Vista or 7) to take existing system RAM and allocate it into a separate drive. I'm thinking about the old ramdrive.exe program that you could load into the CONFIG.SYS file of DOS and DOS-based versions of Windows. Is this something that's just not possible with the present structure of Windows these days, or does no one really feel the need since they can just throw better processors at it?
I realize I'm quoting myself here, but I just wanted to bring this back up since no one touched on it. Is something like this possible these days, or is the add-in card the only option?


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Just looking at my CoH install folder and it's around 4GB in itself, so even with 8GB of total RAM it would be very tight to get everything you want into a RAMdisk and have the system running optimally.

I think you'd need at least 12GB of RAM to have a 5-6GB RAMdisk and the rest for running CoH and Windows with a browser and email client going.

At that point the SSD probably makes better sense.