Nvidiasettlement.com now taking claims
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DocArcus,
Posted on: 2011-01-18 20:15 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
That site has a disgustingly low amount of information. Can't find out any details except "the chips fried". Any more links on this? It's the first time i've heard of it.
Edit: No matter, you're expected to go through all the court files. Would have been nice to have a simple TLDR on it >_>
Yeah, my HP blew up twice. The first time is was under warranty, the second time... well it makes an awfully good doorstop.
I'll have to wit until I get home to get all the applicable information.
Still, isn't the problem with the manufacturers themselves for making the chips cheaply, or at least with inadequate cooling? NVidia themselves only makes the GPU chips but not the entire video card - They hand out reference designs to second parties and let them make the rest.
NVidia's chips have always run hot, but with proper cooling they won't overheat. I think this is a case of HP/Compaq/etc being cheapskates and skimping on proper cooling designs and materials for their laptops.
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I think the issue is that those "reference designs" and/or other values that NVidia reported to the manufacturers were wrong. That's why the systems were made "incorrectly" to begin with so the manufacturers are not necessarily at fault.|
Originally Posted by Silver Sanguis
Still, isn't the problem with the manufacturers themselves for making the chips cheaply, or at least with inadequate cooling? NVidia themselves only makes the GPU chips but not the entire video card - They hand out reference designs to second parties and let them make the rest.
NVidia's chips have always run hot, but with proper cooling they won't overheat. I think this is a case of HP/Compaq/etc being cheapskates and skimping on proper cooling designs and materials for their laptops. |
If I'm selling fireworks for 4th of July, but don't tell you how powerful they really are or how to use them safely, who is going to get blamed when something gets blown up or catches fire? Me.
Would an HP Pavilion dv6000 be affected by this?
My Lego Models http://www.flickr.com/photos/30369639@N07/ lemur lad: God you can't be that stupid... I'm on at the same time as you for once, and not 20 minutes into it you give me something worth petitioning?Lady-Dee: Hey my fat keeps me warm in the winter and shady in the summer.
Basically, even laptops from top manufacturers known for overengineering their products would have nVidia graphics chips that would melt under heavy use, because nVidia outright lied about how much heat those chips produced. You can only engineer to what you know; overdoing the engineering costs money in manufacturing and drives product prices higher than the market will bear.
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It's on the list, so yes.
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Originally Posted by Robo_Knight
Would an HP Pavilion dv6000 be affected by this?
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Crap, that would explain a few things. How do I do this then?
My Lego Models http://www.flickr.com/photos/30369639@N07/ lemur lad: God you can't be that stupid... I'm on at the same time as you for once, and not 20 minutes into it you give me something worth petitioning?Lady-Dee: Hey my fat keeps me warm in the winter and shady in the summer.
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This page will get you started on the process of filing a claim: https://roscomps3.securesites.net/ww.../claimform.php|
Originally Posted by Robo_Knight
Crap, that would explain a few things. How do I do this then?
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it looks like there's going to be several hoops to jump through...
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Master Blade already answered this.. I've got a couple of single posts addressing the issues at hand.|
Originally Posted by Silver Sanguis
Still, isn't the problem with the manufacturers themselves for making the chips cheaply, or at least with inadequate cooling? NVidia themselves only makes the GPU chips but not the entire video card - They hand out reference designs to second parties and let them make the rest.
NVidia's chips have always run hot, but with proper cooling they won't overheat. I think this is a case of HP/Compaq/etc being cheapskates and skimping on proper cooling designs and materials for their laptops. |
First, there is Thermal Design Power, or TPD
- http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...31&postcount=6
- http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...14&postcount=2
Then there is what Nvidia did:Nvidia flat out lied to Original Design Manufacturers (ODM) and Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM) when giving them the specifications for Geforce Chips ranging all the way back to Geforce 7 and up to Geforce GT 300 series.
Nvidia told vendors that their chips only put off certain amounts of heat. Nvidia also (allegedly) modified the drivers used by the OEM's and ODM's for validation to detect the stressing applications the OEM's and ODM's and configure the hardware for a certain performance profile. Such benchmark hijacking was something Nvidia was intimately familiar with, which is one of the reasons I believe this allegation although it has not, as of yet, been proven in a court of law.
OEM's and ODM's designed their products around the thermal limitations given to them by Nvidia, and by the results given to them by the hijacked benchmarking applications. This initial overheating then coupled with the disaster known as bumpgate.
One of the problems with reporting on Bumpgate is that Nvidia was able to lean on many established tech news sites to keep from accurately reporting on the problems, or reporting at all. The stories only broke through Rogue Tech News sites such as Semi-Accurate and TheInquirer... noted less for their accuracy and more for rabble rousing... and largely through one single person: Charlie Demerjian
As to bumpgate itself... I guess the simplest way to put the problem is that Nvidia was trying to cut costs on their end to try and compete with AMD/ATi pricing. However, Nvidia was cutting costs in the wrong areas... and chose to cut corners on the actual physical connections of the processor... not really a place you want to save money. That's really a place you want to spend money. Nvidia's cost cutting measures basically resulted in their GPU's causing short circuits, and at running temperature, explosions.
I'll save the forums yet another extended rant on just how much rotten stuff Nvidia has pulled off that they don't want exposed in a Court of Law, but hopefully this gives you some insight into why these settlements are such a big deal.
http://www.nvidiasettlement.com/
If you've got a laptop from Dell, Compaq, HP, or Apple that has any Nvidia GPU drop by and check the affected models page: http://www.nvidiasettlement.com/affectedmodels.html
Claims for settlements are now being taken for various models.
*NOTE*
The Nvidiasettlement.com website only lists a partial number of laptops known to explode or have other thermal issues. Laptops known to be in the initial class-action lawsuit include ODM laptops from Clevo, Foxconn, Compal, and Asus.
Settlements and lawsuits over laptops from OEMS such as Toshiba, Lenovo, Samsung, and Sony, are still pending. Additionally, laptops manufactured by ODM / OEM Acer are also still pending litigation.