Corruptor v Dominator
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Posted on: 2011-01-12 24:52 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Dominators should do more damage, barring the right set of debuffs from the Corruptor's secondaries (-res debuffs plus Scourge probably put the Corruptor on top).
A general rule of thumb is, however, "any villain AT will be able to do ample damage."
Looking at your character list, it would seem that you like Kin as your secondary. Fire/Kin Corruptor pumps out a lot of damage though it is somewhat of a populist/FOTM combination. Yes, I'm guilty of having one too though in my defense, it is on my second account, only IOed for cheap sets and barely play him. As for Dom, Fire/Psi is another FOTM combination that can dish out a good deal of AoE damage (though it used to be even more prior to the Psi nerf). I don't have one of those though I do have a Plant/Psi which is still quite powerful.
Dominators do more damage...
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Dominators should do more damage, barring the right set of debuffs from the Corruptor's secondaries (-res debuffs plus Scourge probably put the Corruptor on top).
A general rule of thumb is, however, "any villain AT will be able to do ample damage." |
Dom Damage Scale:
Melee: 1.05
Ranged: .95
Corruptor Damage Scale:
Melee: .75
Ranged: .75
For comparison, Blaster Damage Scale:
Melee: 1.00
Ranged: 1.125
In the absence of any buffs or debuffs, Doms hit hardest with melee and are the 4th most damaging from Range (behind PB/WS Nova form, Blaster, and SoA).
This is why some say that Doms don't really have a secondary, but 2 primaries.
Basically, neither a Corruptor nor a Dominator is a Blaster. The Corruptor takes the AoE nuking capabilities of the Blaster, while the Dominator takes the Blapping and single target damage.
Both are equally capable of damage in their own right, but they differ in their specialization. Corruptors basically take time to lay out their debuffs and prepare the battlefield before the fight, while Dominators have their control powers to lock down their foes and make them helpless while they divide and conquer. The Corruptor will be a little safer overall, but the Dominator can also be safe to play if you use his holds actively.
In short, if you prefer AoE and team support, go for the Corruptor. If you prefer laying on massive single target damage (plus some really good controls) go with the Dominator.
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Originally Posted by Psiphon
Hi all,
It's only recently that I've started to play Redside and was looking at various AT's to roll. I was wondering from a damage perspective how do these two compare? I'm only after a general rule of thumb. |
As for Corruptor VS Dominator, base damage-wise, Dominator is a lot higher especially if you use melee attacks but Corruptor's strength is in stacking buffs/debuffs.
I think Corr VS Dom damage comparison is like apple and orange. Most people compare Corr VS Defender or Dom VS Blaster.
I guess the key question is:
1. Do you like control powers? Do you like to control?
2. Do you use melee attacks a lot? If Yes, then go with Dom.
3. Do you like to support? If so, go with Corr.
Corr and Dominator's game play is too different.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Overall, I agree with your assessment. The only caveat I'd add is that a Dom can get some really good AoE attacks with Epic/Patron pools at 41. Anything/Fire Doms in particular can use the Fire epic to get 2 very good Aoe attacks that are buffed by Embrace of Fire.|
Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
...In short, if you prefer AoE and team support, go for the Corruptor. If you prefer laying on massive single target damage (plus some really good controls) go with the Dominator.
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Keep that in mind when selecting between the 2 ATs.
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Personally, I've always felt this to be the flaw with comparing base damage of any Corruptor, Defender, Mastermind or Controller to the other more direct damage ATs. It is rare that a Buff/Debuff archetype would not have any buffs or debuffs. |
Originally Posted by JulioThom70
In the absence of any buffs or debuffs,
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It might be a valid comparison for Force Field and Empathy, but for other Buff/Debuff Sets I'd say the equivalent base damage scale is around 0.85-0.95 for Defenders and Corruptors, and 0.65-0.75 for Controllers, with Kinetics, et al. at the top of that range. Masterminds are nearly impossible to directly compare as their damage comes from their pets. (But I would roughly estimate it as about the same as Corruptors. It could also be argued that Containment bumps Controllers up to about that same level as well, so they could all four be pretty much equivalent at the top end, with the only difference how much the Set choice effects that)
Doms can also vary in their damage, as sets like Fire and Electric Assault, with their Build Up, can produce more burst damage than the sets with Power Boost. It's also important to note that since a Dom's base damage IS higher, it gets a lot of benefit from other buffers on the team.
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Yup and Dom also has pet(s) that can add even more DPS (if the pet doesn't die of course). So it is really hard to compare Corr VS Dom damage. |
Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
Doms can also vary in their damage, as sets like Fire and Electric Assault, with their Build Up, can produce more burst damage than the sets with Power Boost. It's also important to note that since a Dom's base damage IS higher, it gets a lot of benefit from other buffers on the team. |
I would say, in general, you invite Dominator for Control + Damage and Corruptor for Support and Damage.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I think it depends on what you want and what powersets your looking at. Out of hand I'd vote Dominators since it will offer a very different experience than blue side AT's. IMO opinion, I think Doms are one of the hidden gems of Going Rogue, they had a bad rap before they were fixed, plus this blueside bias many people have( I'm the exact opposite, the number of hunt missions gets on my nerves sometimes)
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I'd second this view myself.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I would say, in general, you invite Dominator for Control + Damage and Corruptor for Support and Damage.
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I think my characterization of the Corruptor as the nuker and the Dominator as the blapper pretty much handles the details. Sure, a Dominator can get AoE attacks at 41, but a Corruptor can get melee attacks and control powers. The ATs tend to become more alike post-Epic Pools. |
Originally Posted by Jibikao
Yup and Dom also has pet(s) that can add even more DPS (if the pet doesn't die of course). So it is really hard to compare Corr VS Dom damage.
I would say, in general, you invite Dominator for Control + Damage and Corruptor for Support and Damage. |
The Corruptor will tend to have a little better defense, which means the Dom has a little better damage. But as you say, the damage is pretty much equivalent (but not identical) and thus you usually invite according to whether you want control or buff/debuffs for your team.
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As a general rule, I think it would depend on you power sets.|
Originally Posted by Psiphon
Hi all,
It's only recently that I've started to play Redside and was looking at various AT's to roll. I was wondering from a damage perspective how do these two compare? I'm only after a general rule of thumb. |
A Fire/Cold Corr is going to do more damage than a Ice/Ice Dom for instance.
If memory serves, Fire/Fire/Ice Dom is the most damaging Dom, but I don't recall the most damaging Corr.
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I'd agree that it depends on powerset.
The REAL wrench is the corruptor secondary. A /Kin corruptor can meet or exceed even blaster damage while making an entire team reach the damage cap. They are also far more fragile than even the squishiest dominator: kinetics trades survivability for damage. Also, to operate at max damage you have to constantly be spamming powers just as they recharge, and taking chances. Other support secondaries like /dark give a well rounded set of offensive debuff, controls, and team support. /Dark corrs are more safe, yet their tar patch helps them sneak up to dominatorish damage. Corruptors all have debuffs in their secondary as a rule...it's all a matter of how strong/dependable those are.
Meanwhile, dominator secondaries vary damage-wise as well. They all start pretty high, but only a few have means of boosting that damage. Others prefer powerboost, which is a mez buildup rather than damage buildup. (Or psi has a buff+debuff in drain psyche.) Then you get into whether they have a bunch of melee, range, AoE, it shifts a lot.
All in all dominators start high, can get a bit higher, but are dependably safe up until they meet an AV.
Corruptors can be safe, squishy, both at the same time, team centric, good for soloing, highish damage, medium damage, it varries quite a bit by power combos.
Hi all,
It's only recently that I've started to play Redside and was looking at various AT's to roll. I was wondering from a damage perspective how do these two compare?
I'm only after a general rule of thumb.
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