Does going above def soft-cap help against AVs?


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Hey all,

just wondering, if i go above the def soft-cap of 45, will that help against tougher foes?

my understanding is that even if you are at def of 45, bosses/EBs/AVs have a greater than 5% chance of hitting you, and their chance is based on level and other various buffs they have

If i go against a level 54 AV, will having a def of 50 (rather than 45) lower their chance of hitting me?

thanks in advance


 

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In most cases, no, extra defense above the soft cap won't help. Enemies above Minion rank and up to +5 levels above you get an Accuracy bonus which no amount of defense can offset.

Some bosses/EBs/AVs may have a ToHit bonus and some may have -Defense attacks and in those cases extra defense will help.

A very few enemies, such as Turrets and Pets, start with a higher ToHit, so more defense will be needed to soft cap against them.


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thanks for the quick reply

it answers my question perfectly


 

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A level 54 AV will still have a base 5% chance to hit a softcapped toon, but since AVs get an accuracy bonus for being an AV and for being level 54, they end up with a higher actual chance to hit the toon. It's even higher if the AV wields a weapon.


 

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IIRC, enemies get a 10% bonus to hit you for every level they are above you. Lieutenants get 5%, and I think it goes 5% more for every rank above, making AVs have roughly +20. So a +4 AV has about a 110% ToHit a level 50 hero. If you only have 45% Def ("Softcap") they'll still have a 65% chance to hit you- roughly the same chance an elite boss has to hit a same level hero.
More def is still effective, you just need that much more of it.
Most times, this means relying on your team. If you get to about 75% Def, you're doing OK for almost anything the game throws at you.


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Originally Posted by Acanous_Quietus View Post
IIRC, enemies get a 10% bonus to hit you for every level they are above you. Lieutenants get 5%, and I think it goes 5% more for every rank above, making AVs have roughly +20. So a +4 AV has about a 110% ToHit a level 50 hero. If you only have 45% Def ("Softcap") they'll still have a 65% chance to hit you- roughly the same chance an elite boss has to hit a same level hero.
More def is still effective, you just need that much more of it.
Most times, this means relying on your team. If you get to about 75% Def, you're doing OK for almost anything the game throws at you.
That's not how it works.

They don't get a to-hit bonus till they are +6(I think),they just get a Accuracy bonus for being a AV or a lieutenant. A level 54 AV will have something like a 11% chance to hit you if your defense is 45% or if it is 75%, that is why 45% is the Soft cap.


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Originally Posted by Acanous_Quietus View Post
IIRC, enemies get a 10% bonus to hit you for every level they are above you. Lieutenants get 5%, and I think it goes 5% more for every rank above, making AVs have roughly +20. So a +4 AV has about a 110% ToHit a level 50 hero. If you only have 45% Def ("Softcap") they'll still have a 65% chance to hit you- roughly the same chance an elite boss has to hit a same level hero.
More def is still effective, you just need that much more of it.
Most times, this means relying on your team. If you get to about 75% Def, you're doing OK for almost anything the game throws at you.
... That's wrong.

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics

No creature gets a rank-based to-hit buff.

Accuracy, yes.

If you are at the soft cap, vs a +4 AV, it's (50[base]-45[your defense])%tohit, then you multiple by accuracy (2.1=1 [most power's base accuracy] * 1.4 [+4 level difference] * 1.5 [Rank bonus). So it's 10.5% min. to-hit chance against a soft-capped player for a +4AV

And for level differences, it isn't until they are +6 or more that they start getting a To-hit buff for level.


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