If you can solo an AV...


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If you can solo an AV would it be possible to solo a GM on a brute; for my next toon I am thinking of making a FM/WP brute that can solo AVs, from what I have read I will be succesful at taking down some AVs, will he be able to take down a GM?


 

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I've never heard of it being done, but I'm sure someone has. I wouldn't say it's easy or likely you'll be able to pull it off, though. If you're wanting to solo GM's, you should probably look at controllers. I believe they're the best for that.. maybe Masterminds/doms? Never really something I looked into.


 

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Most GM soloers I've heard of are defenders. Never heard of a brute doing it.


 

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Apples and oranges. GMs have vastly more hitpoints than AVs (Kahn TF Reichsman excluded), which means that their Regeneration is far more powerful than an AV's. Corruptors, Masterminds, and Defenders are the most common GM soloers, because each of those ATs contain powersets which hinder targets' Regen. Then there are extreme outliers like Silverado's Fire/MM Blaster. I'm sure a /Psi Dominator or two has/have taken down a GM at some point.

But no...Brutes won't be soloing GMs.


 

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I think I've seen the top number crunches tackle this one before

Even with the best, highest DPS attack chain going constantly and with you being able to survive indefinately, it still would not be enough damage - You NEED -regen to solo a GM.

Defenders, Corruptors, Controllers, /Mental Blasters are the only 'viable' choices for GM soloing (and of course, it's whittled down more by choice of sets, budget, time and player).

I've not seen any attempts at it, but as far as I'm aware, the Envenomed Dagger temp power's animation time cripples an optimum attack chain enough to undo the -regen, supposedly.

I'm sorry I can't throw some hard numbers or links into here, just going by what I've seen from many various threads around these boards.


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Thanks for all the feedback guys. I will probably stick to making the Bots/Dark MM for AV/GM soloing then. I just want to solo a GM for bragging rights lol, porbably wont be doing it often.


 

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Originally Posted by Nihilii View Post
There aren't such a thing as tactics when it comes to GMs, it's either -regen spam or insps/temps. You need ~360 DPS to break even with their regen rate at level 50, and no build can get to that number in actual gameplay.
You can also find a good discussion on -regen here.


 

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I don't think ANY melee character can solo a GM. AT least I've never heard of it being accomplished.

It's been done by Defenders, Corruptors, Masterminds, Blasters, and Controllers, but I have never heard of a Scrapper, Brute, Tank, or Stalker pulling it off. Their regen is just too high to kill them by pure DPS.

All of the ATs that have done it have access to a power with -regen in their primary or secondary. I don't think Envenomed Dagger has enough charges to last you through an entire GM fight, which will take upwards of a half hour if the dagger is the only source of -regen you have.

A Widow might be able to pull it off, since they have -regen in 2 of their primary powers, but I've never heard of it being attempted.

Also worth noting: All the characters that can solo GMs make mincemeat of AVs, they tend to kill them MUCH faster than melee characters that can do the same. Again, it's the presence of -regen they have access to, while a melee AT is forced to do it by pure DPS.


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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect View Post
Also worth noting: All the characters that can solo GMs make mincemeat of AVs, they tend to kill them MUCH faster than melee characters that can do the same. Again, it's the presence of -regen they have access to, while a melee AT is forced to do it by pure DPS.
That's... not entirely true.

There are several AVs out there who are significantly harder to kill than GMs, since GMs are just sacks of hitpoints and regen that spam AoE attacks. AVs on the other hand get assorted abilities such as godmodes, self heals, insane resistances, or all of the above.

A few examples:
Ms Liberty: Dull Pain, Unstoppable
Statesman: Dull Pain, Unstoppable, Hammer of Justice
Silver Mantis: Dull Pain, Unstoppable, Build Up
Baphomet: Healing Flames, high fire resistance
Siege: Energize, high resistance to every damage type
Positron: Lingering Radiation, Enervating Field, Overload (+def godmode), nasty defense debuffs in all of his attacks.

...just to name a few.

It's also worth noting that these AVs won't use those abilities just once per fight, they will spam their godmodes/self heals until you take them down