I am not nearly as familair with regen as I am with willpower but I know willpower can get S/L def up to cap pretty easily and you don't need a ton of recharge to make the bf/AV chain in db pretty effective. I also took the sweep chain with I19 and have been very happy with it. With rttc the regen get to very nice levels and I never have any end problems. My IO build is about 75% complete and with 0 targets feeding rttc I am about 38hp per sec( I have not finished QH and health yet with IO's). The less times I have redraw the better so I am not sure how the heal would effect dps on a regen. Willpower is just fine though and plenty survivable.
I'd say Willpower, dual blades pairs well with will power because of the knockdown in db that enables will power's regeneration to give it more time to regenerate.
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Which is "more powerful" isn't really a clear question. The two powersets are very different. One has more "burst" healing, the other is more steady.
Willpower has less tools for reacting to sudden spikes in damage. It pretty much does what it does all the time, and if they's not good enough for a given situation, Strength of Will is its only real panic button. However, it comes with decent resists, some defense, and always-on bonus HP.
Regen has much less layering. Every hit hurts, but Regen is all about reactive management. It has lots of tools for reacting to damage. Its baseline regeneration is lower than a WP, particularly with foes around. It has more buttons, some for panic, some for businiess as usual.
WP, equipped as it is with some defense to start with, is possible to softcap, whereas for Regen it's really only reasonable to softcap Lethal and Melee defense, and only with Broadsword or Katana contributing Parry or Divine Avalanche. In an IO-heavy "game breaker" build , WP has to get the nod on this basis.
Ultimately, the two play very differently. WP rewards you very little for how good a player you are, where Regen can be very satisfying if you like feeling like your power activation choices and timing were big factors in your success. On the other hand, if you choose poorly or have bad timing, or just don't like micromanaging your mitigation, Regen can be a harsh mistress under stress.
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I'd say Willpower, dual blades pairs well with will power because of the knockdown in db that enables will power's regeneration to give it more time to regenerate.
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In my opinion, Willpower is the better set, especially for players who may not want to invest billions of INF. Regeneration may pull slightly ahead with heavy investment, though. Stacking defense, resistance, and regeneration/healing on a character makes it very hard to kill. Willpower includes a fair amount of defense and resistance, and gives almost as much regeneration as the Regeneration powerset. With 100mil-1billion invested in IO sets, Willpower will feel a lot harder to kill than Regeneration.
Regen = lots of redraw
WP = hardly ever redraw
Regen = Watch the health bar. Lag can mean death.
WP = toggle and go.
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Want to make a Dual Blades scrapper will a focus on healing. Both /regen and /willpower have this. The simple question is: which one is more powerful?
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Still, I have to say that WP is "more powerful". With resistance, defense and regen it just has more layers to deal with damage. Moreover, it has more things to enhance with IOs and an easier time getting to the soft cap.
I feel a bit like a traitor, but I'd have to go WP.
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WP sounds good.
Will I need tough and weave? Or, better off with Aid Self?
Also, I am a little worried about the taunt in the power that adds the regen and to-hit debuff. I have had trouble with a scrapper with /shield who had a power that also was an AoE taunt and he got a fair bit of aggro.
ty guys.
edit: oh! and my highest-level character is about lvl 46 and only has about 20 million inf so the big budget on IO sets is not really an option (yet).
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Tough and Weave. Aid Self might sound like just what the doctor ordered, but it kind of isn't. Stick with better mitigation. Your secondary has your healing covered. Mind you, this standard advice may need rethinking in the age of inherent Fitness.|
Originally Posted by Dark_Inferno
WP sounds good.
Will I need tough and weave? Or, better off with Aid Self? Also, I am a little worried about the taunt in the power that adds the regen and to-hit debuff. I have had trouble with a scrapper with /shield who had a power that also was an AoE taunt and he got a fair bit of aggro. |
Taunt on Shield Defense boosts your damage. Taunt on Willpower boosts your regeneration. So it should be less of an issue on Willpower.
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The taunt in RTTC is pretty week. Easy enough to have aggro pulled off you by other melee types.|
Originally Posted by Dark_Inferno
WP sounds good.
Will I need tough and weave? Or, better off with Aid Self? Also, I am a little worried about the taunt in the power that adds the regen and to-hit debuff. I have had trouble with a scrapper with /shield who had a power that also was an AoE taunt and he got a fair bit of aggro. ty guys. edit: oh! and my highest-level character is about lvl 46 and only has about 20 million inf so the big budget on IO sets is not really an option (yet). |
I wouldn't worry about putting Aid Self in the build, unless you A) happen to have the power slots B) the IO sets to up your defense c) It happens to work with your concept.
I've done fine with WP's regen and greens, and doing just fine with just RTTC when I go solo after AVs.
But Aid Self would add a self heal, something to think about if you have the slots/powers, but not untill you have the defense to use it.
As for the IOs, just start working on getting them through Hero Merits.
[edit] And yes...take Tough/Weave!
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Will I need tough and weave? Or, better off with Aid Self?
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I don't feel that Aid Self is all that great of a power especially for a powerset that already heals itself as easily as /Regen or /WP. For what it's worth, a PBAoE Knockdown power like the DB Sweep Combo or Footstomp (If you were a Brute) gives you more than enough time for your Regeneration to heal you back up to near full while Aid Self leaves you hoping you don't get hit while the interruptable part of the power is in effect. And heck, if you pop Purples to keep from getting hit while using Aid Self, you probably won't get hit enough to overwhelm your Regeneration anyway.
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You could probably get somewhere with using Sweep and then Aid Self, but without a way to boost its healing, it might not be worth the two powers and the six slots. On my energy blaster, I use two interrupt and frankenslot the other four for heal/recharge, but I've also got all the kb tools in the world and Power Boost to make it more effective. Not sure I'd bother on a scrapper, though.
Also, I probably wouldn't combine DB with its combos with Regen. I think it'd be ultimately frustrating to have to choose between finishing a combo or using a Regen power. Willpower's a nice set and pairs well with a busy attack set.
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I would say /WP, not because its better or more powerful but because with DB you will be trying to line up combos for the extra effects, meaning anytime you have to click on one of Regens abilities you loose that much more stabby time, also its annoying >_<
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Originally Posted by Dark_Inferno
Want to make a Dual Blades scrapper will a focus on healing. Both /regen and /willpower have this. The simple question is: which one is more powerful?
ty! |
Im also giving a nod in favor of WP for DB...having to constantly stop attacking to hit your heals can mess up your combos, whereas spamming the sweep combo is about all you need to get most of any lost dmg taken with RttC on.
I _highly_ recommend tough and weave on both, but aid self shouldnt be needed for wp. unless you just really want it.
BrandX was spot-on for the differences between the 2. Regen means watching health bar and mobs to maximize combos whereas Wp is just make sure all those toggles are on and get to hackin n slashin
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Want to make a Dual Blades scrapper will a focus on healing. Both /regen and /willpower have this. The simple question is: which one is more powerful?
ty!