New option: Disable Patrol XP


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Originally Posted by NewScrapper View Post
Say it takes a million XP to get to level 50. Which would make you more proud of yourself: earning a million XP through gameplay, or earning 666,666XP through gameplay and being given 333,333XP for not playing? Getting the same reward for doing only 2/3 of the work just feels wrong -- it's like I benefit more from not working, when it should be the other way around.
SO, to even it all out and make you feel you have earned it, (Until they make a change to accommodate your suggestion IF they ever do.) just turn off XP 1/3rd of the time you play! Problem is resolved for the interim! Though be warned it may end up being a long term fix as I really don't think this suggestion will fly.


 

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I think a better option would be an XP gain slider ranging from 100% to 0%.


 

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Really easy solution to this one. When you have Patrol XP, in addition to letting you level faster, it also gets consumed when you die instead of you getting debt. So if you have patrol XP, and you don't WANT patrol XP, just jump into a group of purple mobs a few times until you've died enough and run out of patrol XP.

Problem solved. The devs don't have to waste any time on this one, and you get to level at as slow a pace as you want. ...Well, it's still a LOT faster than it was when the game launched, but you can always just gets lot of debt all the time to even it out a bit...


 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
Why, if patrol XP makes you feel like you don't "earn" the character, should the current, XP-smoothed, debt-doesn't-matter not be bothering you? You should be petitioning for *that* to be reverted so we have to work through debt like we used to.
Mainly because Patrol XP is an add-on rather than a correction. With regard to smoothing, the devs looked at the curve and said, "Something's wrong," and they fixed it. But with regard to Patrol XP, there's nothing being fixed -- this is a nice-to-have, like a Day Job or the Invention System or Color and Weapon and Power Customizations and PVP and Mission Architect and all other sorts of things...except you can opt out of ALL of those extra things, and you can't opt out of Patrol XP.

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Also, your XP reference is wrong. If I play from (say) level 25-28 in a day (which is doable,) and I'm on full patrol XP, that is only affecting level 25-26 (assuming a start from just-hitting 25.) It doesn't affect level 26, 27, or 28.
I wasn't aware of the ten-bubble cap on Patrol XP. Thanks to everyone who pointed that out. I'm glad that's there. I thought Patrol XP just went on accumulating forever.

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Also, if I'm playing that character daily or every other day, it's barely making a blip on the XP radar.
And if you're not, it's a bigger blip...maybe even a blot, or a swatch, or something -- gosh -- downright noticable!

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...you go in, do your 400 pushups. You're then assigned to your unit, deployed, brought under fire, complete multiple missions, save lives, take others, get shot, serve for many years - yeah, 100 pushups make SUCH a difference.
The 100 pushup difference is what enabled you to qualify; what you did after you qualified is something else entirely. Think of it this way: Used to be, valedictorian meant that you had the highest grade point average in your entire class. Now some schools give out the title to any senior who carries an A average. There have been classes with literally dozens of valedictorians. Result? Not as much prestige with the title. The fact that some of these not-first-place valedictorians will go on to surpass in success their truly-first-place valedictorian peers doesn't mean the accomplishment of being valedictorian hasn't lost its luster.


 

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Originally Posted by Rodion View Post
...do you really understand that your request is just one of thousands of requests to set various options in the game?
Do you really think that the devs don't have a clue how to prioritize their work? Because, really, it seems like you're shaking in your boots over the possibility that the devs might actually think this suggestion is more important to work on than the other fixes, improvements, and nice-to-haves they've already got on their plate, and I tend to think they're not that into making bad judgment calls like that. Honestly, if a thread like this is going to have that kind of power, then maybe the people who want all those other things need to be crying louder about them on the forum -- squeaky wheel gets the grease, and all....


 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
...when I got my first 50s:

- Debt started at 5
- There was no debt smoothing
- The debt cap was doubled - and yes, I hit the 1.1 million debt cap.
- There was a *bad* content gap from 38-40, worse if you got too much debt early on (and my first was a blaster,)
- There was no half-debt inside missions
- There was no defiance (1.0 or 2.0) or any other inherent for blasters. If I got held, I'd better hope I had breakfrees.
- We didn't have Inventions. We had SOs that needed replacing every few levels. There was no other option.
- Zookeeper needed - what was it, 100,000 monkeys, and other badges were much harder to get.

So, I had to work harder at getting that 50 and had more stacked against me than anyone now ever will.
And you have the corresponding bragging rights, even if you don't choose to use them.

P.S.: If I could go back in time and negate any one of those items in your list, I'd put debt back to starting at level 5, as that's the level at which the character is ready to "leave the nest" of Atlas/Galaxy/Mercy and start heading out into the real, unsafe world. But I know that'll never happen, so you won't see any "start debt at level 5" threads from me. (Heck, I'm surprised they even have debt anymore.)


 

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Originally Posted by NewScrapper View Post
And you have the corresponding bragging rights, even if you don't choose to use them.
Most people ignore someone who goes on about "uphill in the snow both ways."

These aren't something to "brag" about. The game experience changed. Big. Freaking. Deal. Again, if you're looking so hard for something to brag about, head outside and do something significant. Volunteer somewhere for a year. Help build a house. Go be a mentor. Those are worth mentioning, not "I got to 50 in a video game without using patrol XP." Because, y'know what? They could shut the servers down right now, and old-50, no-patrol-xp-50, brand-new-50, PL'd-50, none of it will mean a damn thing - doesn't really now, honestly.

Put your pride in something worthy of it.


 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
Most people ignore someone who goes on about "uphill in the snow both ways."

These aren't something to "brag" about. The game experience changed. Big. Freaking. Deal. Again, if you're looking so hard for something to brag about, head outside and do something significant. Volunteer somewhere for a year. Help build a house. Go be a mentor. Those are worth mentioning, not "I got to 50 in a video game without using patrol XP." Because, y'know what? They could shut the servers down right now, and old-50, no-patrol-xp-50, brand-new-50, PL'd-50, none of it will mean a damn thing - doesn't really now, honestly.

Put your pride in something worthy of it.
And yet here I am, impressed with all the level 50s you got under all those "uphill in the snow both ways" conditions you listed, and not impressed at all with any of the volunteering, homebuilding, and/or mentoring you may or may not have done. I guess different people find different things "significant" or "worthy of pride."

For example, to me, levelling to 50 without Patrol XP would be like solving a TV Guide sudoku puzzle without using the extra clue they provide -- I do that quite frequently, and I take pride in the fact that I can solve the puzzles without help from the clues. That's what the "Disable Patrol XP" switch would be like -- it's the difference between being able to choose whether you use the clue or not, or (as it stands now) having the clue filled in for you already whether you like it or not. Sure, you can always liquid paper the clue out, but you'd rather not have to go through the trouble.


 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
Most people ignore someone who goes on about "uphill in the snow both ways."
Or mock him.