Patron pool for an Ill/TA?


Carnifax_NA

 

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Thinking I need more damage on this toon, and maybe another pet would help. Should I go for a Patron set?


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There is another thread with a discussion on APP power choices for Illusion/Radiation. I recommended Fire first, and then Ice, to a great degree because of the single target blast will add a bunch of damage with an attack chain of Blind-SW-Blast-SW. With Illusion/Trick Arrow, you have one more significant issue: you need something to light Oil Slick Arrow.

I have Fire Blast and Fireball on my Ill/TA. They light the slick with ease, and it is very, very satisfying to hit the Slick with Fireball to barbeque the foes with an initial blast of Fire, followed by a continual roasting.


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ooh I like the sound of that, LM! ty!


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I went with Primal on mine, I really like Powerboost + EMP. I haven't redone him for i19 yet so I may change it myself.


 

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Primal is really the second choice, since the Energy damage will light the Oil Slick. However the AoE is a cone, so you have to get in "just" the right position to use it for maximum benefit. It also hits fewer foes.

As for Power Boost, Illusion only has a few powers that benefit from being boosted. Blind, Deceive, Flash . . . and that's about it. It does not affect pets or damage. PB will also affect EM Pulse Arrow and Ice Arrow, the 50% chance of sleep in PGA. If you are getting for EM Pulse, the real question is whether you really need to extend the duration of what is already one of the best AoE Hold powers in the game.

I had Primal on my Ill/Rad for a while, and I found that Power Boost had limited benefits. Sure, EM Pulse would last forever, but it already lasted longer than needed.

I have tried all the APPs, and find Fire to be the most fun on my Ill/TA mostly because of the Fireball onto Oil Slick combo. Fireblast is great in my attack chain. The other utility powers, Fire Shield, Consume and Rise of the Phoenix are OK, but not the most important. I skipped them and took the Medicine Pool with my last two power choices. I'll probably add Fire Shield back in with I-19, along with Flash Arrow and something else.


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Well another reason was Conserve because its non Fitness build. After i19, I plan to change, I just haven't decided what I wanted yet. I don't play this toon very often. I've considered Fire, but my other 3 controllers already have Fire. Regardless of it being probably the best APP for controllers. I wanted something with a different flavor.


 

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I'd probably take Mu over Primal on an Illusion/TA to be honest. Better AOE, a better End Recovery power and an armour which covers more damage types than Powers, plus the choice of a pet that heals or a God Mode power.

In fact I'd probably take Mu over Fire as well. Ball Lightning isn't quite as good as Fireball but it's not far off, and Power Sink is far better than Consume. You lose a good single target attack but can get some nice defensive powers instead (or the Mu pet).


 

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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA View Post
I'd probably take Mu over Primal on an Illusion/TA to be honest. Better AOE, a better End Recovery power and an armour which covers more damage types than Powers, plus the choice of a pet that heals or a God Mode power.

In fact I'd probably take Mu over Fire as well. Ball Lightning isn't quite as good as Fireball but it's not far off, and Power Sink is far better than Consume. You lose a good single target attack but can get some nice defensive powers instead (or the Mu pet).
A lot depends on your playstyle. My Ill/TA is pretty much ALWAYS at range. Everything in TA is ranged. Everything in Illusion other than Flash is ranged, and I didn't take Flash even though I'm a fan of AoE holds because I simply don't ever go into melee. As a result, I rely upon control and distraction rather than defense or resistance. Even with no shields of any kind, I rarely take much damage. Taking down single targets quickly is a key aspect, so that single target blast is far more important than any other power from the APP or PPP sets.

Admittedly, I haven't tried any of the PPP sets, but that's my reasoning.


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I'm going Black Scorpion on mine. However, it isn't really for the shield (though I'm taking both it and PFF). The main reason is to help with recharge. I'm doing a no-purple, relatively cheap perma-Hasten, perma-PA build and between the shield, the pet, and PFF I get another 26.5% +rech.

I agree with LM though - Ill/TA is really a ranged build and if you play your cards right you won't personally be attacked much. In fact, if it weren't for concept restrictions (yes, I'm one of those players) I'd being going Fire APP on mine as well. From a sheer effectiveness standpoint it is probably the best.


 

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I'm going Black Scorpion on mine. However, it isn't really for the shield (though I'm taking both it and PFF). The main reason is to help with recharge. I'm doing a no-purple, relatively cheap perma-Hasten, perma-PA build and between the shield, the pet, and PFF I get another 26.5% +rech.
Before you count much on those plans, you need to know that PFF was replaced in game with Focused Accuracy. Mid's still shows PFF, but it is not available in game.

Even in I-18 Beta, everyone knew that PFF would not be kept in game for long, mostly because a */FF controller could have two PFF powers.


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Thanks for the info - back to Mids for Plan B which appears to involve the Psy APP.


 

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Thanks for the info - back to Mids for Plan B which appears to involve the Psy APP.
Well, there are a few problems with the Psi APP: (1) it won't light Oil Slick. Only Fire and Primal will do that. (2) it is the same kind of damage as Illusion. That will make it tough for Psi-resistant foes -- and you run into a LOT of Psi-resistant foes in the late game, like all Robots (Council, Nemesis, Preatorian Clockwork, etc.)

If you are staying at range, and using your PA and ranged controls, you shouldn't need the mez protection from Indomidible Will -- which is the main reason to take the Psi APP.

All that is why I feel that Fire is best, then Primal.


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