I wouldnt count on it. I tried to get some help on a build but I dont think pvp is a popular activity anymore in this game.
MM are just no longer viable for PvP. Once IOs sets came out and players started getting the hang of how they work and then doing the Min and Max thing, Masterminds started getting wiped out. The simple crux is a player can pretty much 2 shot you now. The first shot will kill off or almost kill off you pets and the 2nd shot will finish you off. Even if you could survive by putting up a PFF lets say. Your pretty much a hamster in a ball running around trying to find a safe spot to rebuild your pets.
Sadly the thing that is your biggest boon in PvE is your down fall in PvP. That of course is your pets.
Again I am not saying it is impossible, anything is possible. But you would get more bang for your buck doing some other AT type. I think you would spend more time resetting up then actual PvPing.
1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives
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If you are getting 2 shot as a MM, then you are playing it wrong. MMs atm are the MOST sturdy toons in pvp atm. There only problem is that they cant kill anything that doesn't stand still long enough. Most of them are dueling toons, or act as support fire stations in zones to provide save areas for allies to group up.|
Originally Posted by plainguy
MM are just no longer viable for PvP. Once IOs sets came out and players started getting the hang of how they work and then doing the Min and Max thing, Masterminds started getting wiped out. The simple crux is a player can pretty much 2 shot you now. The first shot will kill off or almost kill off you pets and the 2nd shot will finish you off. Even if you could survive by putting up a PFF lets say. Your pretty much a hamster in a ball running around trying to find a safe spot to rebuild your pets.
Sadly the thing that is your biggest boon in PvE is your down fall in PvP. That of course is your pets. Again I am not saying it is impossible, anything is possible. But you would get more bang for your buck doing some other AT type. I think you would spend more time resetting up then actual PvPing. |
I.E BG-Mode is NOT reduced by DR and pets still act like they are in pve, since they aren't players, so they aren't influenced by things like DR and heal decay. A /pain MM is one of the most unkillable players in the game in pvp, he just cant kill anything that has half a brain.
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I have tried with my Robot FF MM. In the beginning I was able to use TP foe and use several web grenade single and aoe attack to hold players in place for a bit. My pets would have the advantage of attacking as soon as the player appears, thus I would have the upper hand. Again this is before PvP IOs were introduced and IOs just came out. |
Originally Posted by Lord_Thanatos
If you are getting 2 shot as a MM, then you are playing it wrong. MMs atm are the MOST sturdy toons in pvp atm. There only problem is that they cant kill anything that doesn't stand still long enough. Most of them are dueling toons, or act as support fire stations in zones to provide save areas for allies to group up.
I.E BG-Mode is NOT reduced by DR and pets still act like they are in pve, since they aren't players, so they aren't influenced by things like DR and heal decay. A /pain MM is one of the most unkillable players in the game in pvp, he just cant kill anything that has half a brain. |
My experience was with a fire toon opponent that would kill my tier 1 bots with one shot due to the BG mode spreading out the damage. I barely had my tier 2 bots alive when I would get another shot which now would kill my tier 2 bots and barely left my Tier 1 bot alive. Basically the lack of pets would diminish the effect of body guards mode. Again because of the jousting nature of PvP in this game. It really becomes impossible to be effective with pets.
As you mentioned you just cannot keep someone in the same spot long enough to kill them. Add in combat evasive temps and it becomes even more useless
1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives
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Your problem is /FF, defense is horribly weak in pvp, especially without any exclusivity, and all your secondary is giving you is force bolt if you stack KB enhancement into it. Unless you are going full offensive, with a set like Poison, you want a set that can heal along with debuffing and holding enemies in place. You also want a res shield from the patrons, which will give you more migration that stacks with BG-mode even with DR. If you play as a MM in pvp, you aren't going to kill stuff, especially solo. Its more for teams and arena dueling.|
Originally Posted by plainguy
I have tried with my Robot FF MM. In the beginning I was able to use TP foe and use several web grenade single and aoe attack to hold players in place for a bit. My pets would have the advantage of attacking as soon as the player appears, thus I would have the upper hand. Again this is before PvP IOs were introduced and IOs just came out.
My experience was with a fire toon opponent that would kill my tier 1 bots with one shot due to the BG mode spreading out the damage. I barely had my tier 2 bots alive when I would get another shot which now would kill my tier 2 bots and barely left my Tier 1 bot alive. Basically the lack of pets would diminish the effect of body guards mode. Again because of the jousting nature of PvP in this game. It really becomes impossible to be effective with pets. As you mentioned you just cannot keep someone in the same spot long enough to kill them. Add in combat evasive temps and it becomes even more useless |
Pets dont suffer from healing decay, so a secondary with heals like Pain, can almost endlessly keep the pets alive, and you need to be ready to resummon them as neeeded, unupgraded if necessary, they are your armor.
"An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of BS." -General George Patton
-Lord Azazel
I was really surprised at how sturdy my bot/dark was when we were playing around in the arena. I thought I would get wiped out pretty fast, but being a tankermind made it near impossible for the other players to kill me.
Iirc I only ever had to summon the odd bot here or there during the course of a match - Fluffy on the other hand went down fast virtually every time I cast him.
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Hey guys, can you help me out here? I want to get into PvP but I suck at it, I have a bots/poison mm that I think would be great if I could just get the right build for her. Can someone design an uber PvP for her please? Spare no expense. Thank you very much.