Yes, but just because I play pretty much every control set and assault set.
It does amuse me that the concept folk who whined that scrappers needed more natural options have seemingly never looked at doms or controllers.
Hell yeah!!
I've been wanting a Gadget Control for a while.. in fact, the new Mastermind Whip attack is what I've been asking. Something like Whip/Chain control to complete my "Dominatrix". :P
I don't know if the reason we are not seeing Dark Assault / Gadget Control sooner is that there's already sets that are similar? Like Trap and Dark Miasma.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
It's been gone over in the past, but the basic thrust of it is that proliferating dark is challenging. /Dark for blasters is going to be comparable to /dark for dominators, but dark/ for controllers and dark/ for dominators is not necessary going to be comparable to dark/ for defenders, especially if controllers get /dark. In practical terms, there's only so much dark/dark to spread around, and it needs to avoid overlapping powers between dark/ and /dark, for all flavours of dark/ and /dark.
/slashies
I'm down with the OP, and I'd like some other sets too, like the Dark sets mentioned above.
What exactly would a "normal" control set look like, was wondering?
Some ideas:
* /Ninja could make for a natural secondary with both melee and ranged.
* A Gadget/ primary could have stuff like zap-guns, tranquilizer darts, caltrops, traps, web grenades, flash bang grenades, smoke bombs...
Yes, I would play a Natural set. I like my super heroes/villains fairly "low-powered" RP-wise (not game mechanics).
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Originally Posted by Novawulfe
What exactly would a "normal" control set look like, was wondering?
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Normal would be more like flash grenades, tear gas and the like. Mostly stuff that exists in the RW today for crowd control vs tech which would be more like stuff we wish we had today such as force fields or ultrasonics.
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Originally Posted by Ghostwind_EU
Some ideas:
* /Ninja could make for a natural secondary with both melee and ranged. * A Gadget/ primary could have stuff like zap-guns, tranquilizer darts, caltrops, traps, web grenades, flash bang grenades, smoke bombs... Yes, I would play a Natural set. I like my super heroes/villains fairly "low-powered" RP-wise (not game mechanics). |
Fortunata has access to "stealth". Maybe Dominator can have a stealth too to play like a Mind-control Ninja/Assassin? I would love to have access to throwing stars. I love them but I don't feel like taking them as epic powers.
There is Taser power for stun and possibly +damage.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Unless you can do something from stealth though you are probablly better off just having a different power as part of your core power sets and just picking up the pool power to sneak around.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Fortunata has access to "stealth". Maybe Dominator can have a stealth too to play like a Mind-control Ninja/Assassin? I would love to have access to throwing stars. I love them but I don't feel like taking them as epic powers.
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Well, Fortunata has a pbaoe confuse and a mini-nuke. Not that you have to use stealth to use them but just saying that the idea of a "stealthy" controller-type does exist and I don't mind seeing it in Dominator. Afterall, doesn't Illusion control have stealth and team stealth?
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Originally Posted by Mr_Frost
Unless you can do something from stealth though you are probablly better off just having a different power as part of your core power sets and just picking up the pool power to sneak around.
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What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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True but the Fortuna's are a special case not being a standard class and something of a roll hybrid.|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
Well, Fortunata has a pbaoe confuse and a mini-nuke. Not that you have to use stealth to use them but just saying that the idea of a "stealthy" controller-type does exist and I don't mind seeing it in Dominator. Afterall, doesn't Illusion control have stealth and team stealth?
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The reason, as I understand it, that illusion control has stealth is to combo with confuse since it doesn't agro allowing an illusion controler the two powers work together particularly early on when a Illusion Controler had a VERY hard time droping people quickly and frequently needed to thin out mobs when soloing until they got out of the teens.
I'm just saying if one were to add stealth to a set then we should have some sort of power or ability that takes advantage of stealth rather then just adding stealth to add stealth since that is what we have pool powers for.
I like the idea. Sounds like batman focusing on crowd control. Bolas, netguns etc...
I'd kinda like to see a Dominator set that shatters the mold; a hand to hand, martial art-esque set that uses an abundance of cones and PBAoEs instead of ranged controls. I don't know if would be possible to make such a set work/balanced, but it would be interesting to say the least.
Branching Paragon Police Department Epic Archetype, please!
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What I don't get about this question is the higher-level context. Positron is a Tech-based hero and he uses Radiation. Crey Tanks are tech and they run energy, electricity, cold. The origin works with any powerset at all, and is widely used as such already.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Frost
If they made some natural/tech style power sets like say gadget control using things like those force bands you see certain PPD characters using to hold people or say a gun-fu or gun/sword based assault set would you be excited to play it?
I've heard complaints before that there are not natural/tech options for Dominators and personally did think about it 'cause I didn't really see how they would do one but after seeing that the PDD NPCs actually have a few natural/tech style control powers so it seems like something that might actually come to pass if people really wanted it. So yea would this be something you would like to see in a future issue or is it just a handful of people who really want these sorts of options for Dominators? Something like Tech Control Web grenades Force Fields Tangle Lines Tazers Robots etc.etc. Pistol Assault GunFu Pull out Asp quick for stun attack (drawing quickly like with fire sword) More GunFu Some sort of explosive More GunFu etc. etc. I probably would but only if they had a decent unique powers like Plant or Elect control or were pretty solid like Fire Assault. |
Also, the "natural" side needs to specify "natural human". My peacebringer already has a natrual powerset that humans can't duplicate without unnatural powers of somekind. So do vampires, werewolves, faeries, etc. Natural does not mean human unless you specifically limit it as such.
That said, some more flavor added would always be nice. I agree with most of the concensus that the options would only be good. And I am also looking forward to the change to make either or both of a dark/ and/or /dark dominator.
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I see your point, natural does indeed state it is just "natural" for your character and that covers everything from being an alien to an artifical life form for whom these abilities are normal so I suppose "Normal Human without a billion dollars of armor" is more accurate but I think peopel get what we mean when we say Natural for the most part,[nerdnitpick] but I must say Positron isn't a very good example, while he does use a super suit the guy basically sweats anti-mater to power it which a non-powered Tech human couldn't do.[/nerdnitpick]
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
What I don't get about this question is the higher-level context. Positron is a Tech-based hero and he uses Radiation. Crey Tanks are tech and they run energy, electricity, cold. The origin works with any powerset at all, and is widely used as such already.
Also, the "natural" side needs to specify "natural human". My peacebringer already has a natrual powerset that humans can't duplicate without unnatural powers of somekind. So do vampires, werewolves, faeries, etc. Natural does not mean human unless you specifically limit it as such. That said, some more flavor added would always be nice. I agree with most of the concensus that the options would only be good. And I am also looking forward to the change to make either or both of a dark/ and/or /dark dominator. |
1) I would like to repeat a suggestion made a couple of times that the set should be called "Riot Control".
2) I'll also repeat what I've said for a long time that a "natural" or "superior human" type of hero should be called "skill based". A "skill based" character can be of any Origin, from Technology to Science (Captain America has no super powers, he is merely at the "maximum of human ability) but of course Natural is the most common fit.
The thing is, unless you want to say that only Technology Origin should be allowed access to Assault Rifle, Gadgets, Traps, and Ninjitsu, I don't think you should call that "technology". The Tech Origin, to me, means technology far in advance of the current standard, and/or cybernetic implants in the character's body. Iron Man is a Technology hero, Batman is not. Neither is the Punisher or Iron Fist.
And I think things like a Glue Gun, Gas Grenades, Pepper Spray and other such things could be good examples for how a Gadget-oriented Control set would work. The idea is to create a complement for Traps, which could also be used with a martial arts/gunplay type Assault Set for Dominators.
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I could get behind Riot Control. Really the more we talk about this the more it seems like they've already got most of what they would need for this set in terms of graphics and animations and it would just be a matter of assembling them and balancing the powers.
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Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
1) I would like to repeat a suggestion made a couple of times that the set should be called "Riot Control".
2) I'll also repeat what I've said for a long time that a "natural" or "superior human" type of hero should be called "skill based". A "skill based" character can be of any Origin, from Technology to Science (Captain America has no super powers, he is merely at the "maximum of human ability) but of course Natural is the most common fit. The thing is, unless you want to say that only Technology Origin should be allowed access to Assault Rifle, Gadgets, Traps, and Ninjitsu, I don't think you should call that "technology". The Tech Origin, to me, means technology far in advance of the current standard, and/or cybernetic implants in the character's body. Iron Man is a Technology hero, Batman is not. Neither is the Punisher or Iron Fist. And I think things like a Glue Gun, Gas Grenades, Pepper Spray and other such things could be good examples for how a Gadget-oriented Control set would work. The idea is to create a complement for Traps, which could also be used with a martial arts/gunplay type Assault Set for Dominators. |
If they made some natural/tech style power sets like say gadget control using things like those force bands you see certain PPD characters using to hold people or say a gun-fu or gun/sword based assault set would you be excited to play it?
I've heard complaints before that there are not natural/tech options for Dominators and personally did think about it 'cause I didn't really see how they would do one but after seeing that the PDD NPCs actually have a few natural/tech style control powers so it seems like something that might actually come to pass if people really wanted it.
So yea would this be something you would like to see in a future issue or is it just a handful of people who really want these sorts of options for Dominators?
Something like
Tech Control
Web grenades
Force Fields
Tangle Lines
Tazers
Robots
etc.etc.
Pistol Assault
GunFu
Pull out Asp quick for stun attack (drawing quickly like with fire sword)
More GunFu
Some sort of explosive
More GunFu
etc. etc.
I probably would but only if they had a decent unique powers like Plant or Elect control or were pretty solid like Fire Assault.