Any Active Heavy RP SG's out there.. is this thing on?

Ah, are we at the witty retort stage now? You ranted first chum. Call it as I see it. Who's the one who went into a little tirade about having to babysit and apparantly how dreadful it is that people expect some semblance of activity and don't do all the work for you?

Har de har har.

No offense, Flea, but perhaps you're a little jaded. I didn't read that at all in what Genia said. What I did read was people have this tendency to want everything handed to them on a silver platter, and Genia wasn't going to be the one to do that. No problem with that philosophy, if you ask me, because SG leaders are there to have fun, too.

So yeah, I just re-read Genia's initial post and I still don't see the "I want everyone to do the work for me" nearly as much as I see "I think it would be great if everyone who joined contributed".

*shrugs* Your mileage may vary, but what he or she is saying can be distilled down to his or her own words:

Where do we go from here?

Which is also an ad hominem... And the little bit added as the reason for editing your post only reinforces that. Rather than address Genia's point (that relationships are a two-way street and as such it is unreasonable to put the burden of work on just one side), you attack her. Not exactly a beneficial part of the rational discourse (yes, I know, it is the internet).

It is far to easy to say "this person disagrees with me, so they must be x", but the point of the matter is that Five Minutes to Midnight is an active heavy RP group (about a dozen people logging in every day for the last two years straight since it transferred servers from Pinnacle) that usually has something happening 5 nights out of 7 with one night a week reserved for heavy activity (usually alternating weeks between running missions or TFs together and communal base RP). It doesn't change the fact that a large portion of those who join have to be dragged onto teams (e.g. somebody says "I'm starting a <blue side, Portal Corp mission> team", the newbie won't say anything until somebody says "Hey, <new person>, you want to join") and be reminded constantly about when the weekly meeting is even though it's in the MotD of the global channel and SG channel and put at the top of our forum. It happens, it happens quite often. We've already set up regularly scheduled sessions and our general membership does open RP stuff nearly everyday and tries to include new people and it still doesn't work. What more do you want from us?

Welcome to Virtue.

This is tame.

Sad, but true. I recall threads that dissolved into something many many times worse than this before mods stepped in.

I would point out to the general audience that it could be worse: Save only for the Defenders of Paragon, whom I see online only rarely, in my various MMOs I've joined and then had fall apart around me no less than three SGs/kinships/fleets in the space of six months. So it could be worse.

Well, I don't really have anything to say in response to your previous post because it's all pretty much agreeable. If there aren't any events going on and there isn't any source of open RP, then it would be rather absurd to expect newbies to be joining events and open RP, wouldn't it? The issue of "new people being deadbeats" is more targeted towards those who don't join the stuff that is happening and then complain that stuff isn't happening. As mentioned in my previous post, we're an active group and still get new people who just kind of fade away.

Thanks for the post. I was starting to think that everyone was under the impression that there was only one conclusion when it came to the topic of RP SG/VG members not "helping" the group out. And yes, there are people that say there aren't events when there are and never attend them. But I believe they are few and maybe even being misinterpreted as members that dislike the events and just expect them to improve by simply complaining. Either way, if you're one of those members then you need to either speak up to the leader or just move on to a better-suited SG/VG.

Sorry I'm late, are all the hors d'oeuvers gone.....drat. *eats a piece of wilted lettuce*

Going through the posts before, there are a lot of good points, a lot of flying off the cuff points, and a lot of cheese whiz. We are going to ignore the cheese whiz right now, because I don't know how you type with all that cheese on the keys....but I digress.

First, let me answer the post of Gorblimey. The Entropy Legion is an active RP VG. We hold regular events weekly, Mondays and alternating Wed. We have a full calendar on our Guild Portal site (http://entropylegion.guildportal.com) as well as a forum section. We welcome ANYONE to post on our forum about villainous ideas or material. Not all of the forum is visible for non-members, but if you request you can be an Associate of the Legion and that will open things up. Even villains need friends.

In one way we do things "classically" of villains of the past. We do have a few unique points that separates Entropy Legion from others too. First, the classical format. I think of us more like a Silver Age villain group. While we do have some gritty grim villains, I would say the stylings of most of the villains are of that Silver Age genre ((semi-flashy costumes; the dialogue style; the plot ideas)). In some ways we function like the Legion of Doom: one member comes up with a Plot (usually a story they created in AE) and the rest of the villains help (or sabotage or belittle) that villain achieve the goal, that will be beneficial to everyone.

That is where we stop being like other villain groups. The main difference in Entropy Legion is we have figured out a way to allow more comedic elements into our story line when we feel we need or want it. The element that allows this our NPC construct The Union of Dire Ambition. The Union is the Virtue Universe version of the The Guild of Calamitous Intent from the Adult Swim program, The Venture Bros. The Entropy Legion is a group under the protection and service of the Union, so they have to perform many tasks for them. Some of them are comedic, while there are some very serious story lines. One of the serious Union story lines is that the Union is trying to prevent an all out war between Arachnos and SNAKE, a self-created Cobra clone, because such a war will disrupt the Union's plans.

The big problem that I have found was that, as well of a job that Devs did, the red-side is very one tone. That one tone is very dark and gritty. That is great, but it can wear on you. People can only take that for so long. So I created the Union of Dire Ambition to allow more of a spectrum to lighten that dark and gritty that was constantly present in the red-side stories. So the Legion has a lot of conversations and RP that is similar to things you see in Ventrue Bros: people bickering, people misunderstanding each other, people not really having a clue about things. It has been surprisingly delightful. It has added more depth to characters and their role-play.

I'll take my character, Radium Blight. He started out very simple: a man transformed into a radioactive monster who is taking his anger out on the world. Classic villain archetype. With the RP going, he has transformed into a slightly paranoid, middle-manager style person who gets frustrated with the other villains around him. And the other villains follow suit with their own quirks. Everyone has developed nuances and quirks not as a forced thing, but as a natural evolution of playing with being a dysfunctional type of person that decides to put on spandex in response to their world not being exactly as they wish it was.

Anyways, that is a sample of some of the things going on in the Entropy Legion. If you have interest, check us out on our Guild Portal site, or give a shout. There is always room for people to join in on Monday and Wed nights. Check our calender of when we are "officially" on. But most of us are online at any given point and we RP when we are on.

But I will admit this: The Legion always seems to take a backseat to player's Blue Side play. That is just the nature of Red-side. The Legion is looking to change that for some player, and in many ways, it has. My Radium Blight is by far my most played character.

I'll get into the other posts about activity and such on another post.