Heroes have been able to fight Longbow in RWZ since issue 10 anyway, and hardcore badge toons could get it different ways before that as well.
I agree the badge info has always been kinda funky, but why mention it now?
Because now it's very easy to get the badge on a hero without TRYING to. Us badge hunters don't care what badges are called, but non-badge hunters might get annoyed at the implication that their pure hero isn't. For example, on MY badge hunter character I don't care what a badge is called, but on my non-badge hunter character who's running hero tips constantly to buy a PVP IO I'm annoyed at the title of the badge even though I've done nothing villainous.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
... even though I've done nothing villainous.
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Main Hero: Chad Gulzow-Man (Victory) 50, 1396 Badges
Main Villain: Evil Gulzow-Man (Victory) 50, 1193 Badges
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There is a RELATIVELY simple way for the devs to handle this issue, but I don't know if they would look here to find it.
Simply make the rogue Longbow you fight in pure hero tip missions count as a different faction, called Rogue Longbow, and have them specifically NOT count towards the 'Villain/Redeemed' badge so that people who want that specific badge need to make the choice to go villainside to fight actual Longbow that will count both systemically and from an RP perspective as being real Longbow and thus count for the badge.
How is that simpler than changing the badge name and description?
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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I've always thought "Reformed" was a fairly silly name for that badge, especially back in the day when the only way a hero could get it was to confuse Longbow in Bloody Bay. Doesn't sound like a -reformed- activity to me. |
Originally Posted by Vanden
Reformed is earned for defeating 1000 Longbow, in case you didn't know, and it's the Hero version of the badge.
With the release of I18, there's at least 2 Hero tip missions (that I know of) where you fight Longbow. That means it's entirely possible to earn the Reformed badge, which implies that you were once a villain, without doing a single villainous thing. This is the sort of thing that annoys me, so in the spirit of D&D, I present a suggestion for a name change for this badge: Lawful Sometimes Longbow oversteps its bounds, but you've been there to keep it on the straight and narrow. Obviously we'd lose access to that title, but there's plenty of other hero badge titles that imply the same thing it did. And heck, maybe there'll be another badge down the line that can use the old name. |
I can easily accept the villain name for the badge (aptly named "Villain"). At least that makes perfect sense. But the title "Reformed" always implied the only way you could have it was to be a villain-turned-hero. And if you were a villain-turned-hero why would you want to be recognized for killing 1,000 Longbow with a positive sounding badge? It seems the last thing a villain-turned-hero would want to be reminded of was killing 1,000 of his/her supposed current buddies.
I think in keeping with the Villain title being a noun the title Reformed should be replaced by something like Myrmidon. It's a relatively neutral word which (apart from its Greek warrior origins) means "A loyal follower, especially one who executes orders without question, protest or pity." To me that sounds like what a hero slaughtering 1,000 Longbow should be called. It's not a positive or negative title, just one that implies you preformed a sad duty of punishing Longbow whether you really wanted to or not.
Loth 50 Fire/Rad Controller [1392 Badges] [300 non-AE Souvenirs]
Ryver 50 Ele� Blaster [1392 Badges]
Silandra 50 Peacebringer [1138 Badges] [No Redside Badges]
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I'm with Vanden on this.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Well, you did beat up a bunch of Longbow...
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I would never do such a thing! I got the badge by beating up doors. |
Originally Posted by Lothic
I've always thought "Reformed" was a fairly silly name for that badge, especially back in the day when the only way a hero could get it was to confuse Longbow in Bloody Bay. Doesn't sound like a -reformed- activity to me.
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Confusing the Longbow was never the way, anyway. You had to get a friendly Mind or Plant Dominator to confuse YOU.
Like Ironblade, I got it from the doors in PvP zone missions. I also was one of those friendly Mind Dominators who helped some SG mates get it in Bloody Bay.
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You're right - it's been so long I forgot the villains in Bloody Bay were there to Confuse the heroes not the Longbow. Forgive my "senior moment" but that was probably close to 5 years ago for me. You can't expect me to remember the exact details of every single silly thing I've done for badges in this game. |
Originally Posted by Ms. Mesmer
Confusing the Longbow was never the way, anyway. You had to get a friendly Mind or Plant Dominator to confuse YOU.
Like Ironblade, I got it from the doors in PvP zone missions. I also was one of those friendly Mind Dominators who helped some SG mates get it in Bloody Bay. |
Anyway I actually experienced BOTH those tedious ways to get Reformed on heroes prior to the RWZ missions: My main badging character Loth got it very early on from Bloody Bay via the Confusion method and my other characters (Ryver and Silandra) got it later from Longbow jail doors in Warburg once I learned that was the easier way. I didn't bother to mention the doors because it wasn't like I was trying to list EVERY single way to get it in my post to begin with. All of that is academic now that we have many trivial ways to get it at this point.
P.S. Despite my feeble memory of past events you still have to admit that a hero destroying 1,000 jail doors or defeating 1,000 Longbow is a weird way to gain a positive sounding badge called "Reformed" regardless. I think a more neutral sounding badge name would have ultimately been better. But while I agree with Vanden in principle I suffer no real delusion that the Devs are going to bother with this so many years later. *shrugs*
Loth 50 Fire/Rad Controller [1392 Badges] [300 non-AE Souvenirs]
Ryver 50 Ele� Blaster [1392 Badges]
Silandra 50 Peacebringer [1138 Badges] [No Redside Badges]
--{=====> Virtue ♀
I always liked how getting that villain badge on a hero by killing Longbow while confused handily explained itself in-game: you were mind-controlled!
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.
Reformed is earned for defeating 1000 Longbow, in case you didn't know, and it's the Hero version of the badge.
With the release of I18, there's at least 2 Hero tip missions (that I know of) where you fight Longbow. That means it's entirely possible to earn the Reformed badge, which implies that you were once a villain, without doing a single villainous thing. This is the sort of thing that annoys me, so in the spirit of D&D, I present a suggestion for a name change for this badge:
Lawful
Sometimes Longbow oversteps its bounds, but you've been there to keep it on the straight and narrow.
Obviously we'd lose access to that title, but there's plenty of other hero badge titles that imply the same thing it did. And heck, maybe there'll be another badge down the line that can use the old name.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.