Is Superman DCU's god?
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Anti_Proton,
Posted on: 2010-09-01 14:45 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
God is referenced in the JLU quite frequently. As was alluded to with posts regarding the Spectre. Not to mention angelic characters like Zauriel, who was the center of that JLA arc where they had to battle a host of renegade Angels.
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I don't thing DC/Marvel crossovers are ever considered canon.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Samoa
I don't recall anything about The Source creating the universe. The Source is very powerful and it manipulates things, but it can't directly do much. If I remember right, The Source was behind everything in Infinite Crisis with the whole multiversal thing that went down. But it wasn't powerful enough to just do it (yes, because it was weakened and trying to heal itself, but still).
Besides the established Abrahamic God in DCU (as noted, Spectre and Zauriel, among others, more or less confirm that), the DCU is anthropomorphic. Remember the "hand" at the beginning of creation that Krona saw when he looked back, creating the universe? In the JLA/Avengers crossover (actually considered canon I believe, as events within are directly referenced several times later), it is shown that both DC and Marvel's universes are "beings" of some kind who fall in love with each other and begin to "merge", if you catch my drift. So that's something to consider, too. P.S., Superman didn't create the universe in Final Crisis. He wished for "a happy ending" and wiped out Darksied's badness. |
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In Marvel, Eternity is't even at the top of the food chain. He isn't even 3rd IIRC.
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She'd be considered tier 4, part of the Old God Pantheon. Many of the Old Gods are created in a similar way. She is not a Meta/Super in my opinion in terms how she was generated. |
Originally Posted by Knight_Marshal
So where would Wonder Woman fit into there since:
she is a creation, she is a meta/super human, she is a goddess with the powers and abilities given to her by several goddesses? |
Metas are regular people who have been given powers above their position by way of the source wave or whatever it's called's return visit manipulating reality to allowing it.
It really says nothing about individual power level but the groups level in general. Especially considering a number of Tier 6s are considered some of the most powerful beings in the universe...like Superman.
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Normally no, but in the JLA/Avengers crossover, Krona gets jammed into the Cosmic Egg, which was brought back (with him inside) later on. That's the only canon part of the crossover I can think of offhand, though.
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Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
I don't thing DC/Marvel crossovers are ever considered canon.
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I think it helps that the writer who referenced it was the same one who wrote that crossover.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Samoa
Normally no, but in the JLA/Avengers crossover, Krona gets jammed into the Cosmic Egg, which was brought back (with him inside) later on. That's the only canon part of the crossover I can think of offhand, though.
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I think Eternity ranks about third, tied with Death and Galactus, as well as the Celestials (who are collectively on this same level, though individually I'm not sure where they fall), Lord Chaos, Master Order, Infinity and Oblivion, et cetera. Above them would be the Living Tribunal, and then above that the One Above All, the barely referenced entity that the Living Tribunal serves. |
Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
In Marvel, Eternity is't even at the top of the food chain. He isn't even 3rd IIRC.
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I'm not 100% certain, but I think that's where you'd put the ranking of Marvel's cosmic entities.
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Was it? That may be the case. Well, while the crossover's canon is debatable, the DCU is some kind of entity. However, since Qweq (I think that's the spelling), or the Nebula Man, is also a fully grown universe, it can be called into question whether or not the universe-entities have much power (relatively) or control over what goes on inside of them.
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
I think it helps that the writer who referenced it was the same one who wrote that crossover.
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Yep, Kurt Busiek wrote JLA/Avengers and the Pain of the Gods arc of JLA, which had the reference to the Krona egg. I remember because it was the first time I was thoroughly disappointed in Busiek's writing with that arc.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Samoa
Was it? That may be the case. Well, while the crossover's canon is debatable, the DCU is some kind of entity. However, since Qweq (I think that's the spelling), or the Nebula Man, is also a fully grown universe, it can be called into question whether or not the universe-entities have much power (relatively) or control over what goes on inside of them.
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- CaptainFoamerang
Silverspar on Kelly Hu: A face that could melt paint off the wall *shivers*
Someone play my AE arc! "The Heart of Statesman" ID: 343405
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Azrael mentions a Marvel character at one point when when he is listing people's he's beaten and if I remember right that's from JLA/Avengers too
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Yep, Kurt Busiek wrote JLA/Avengers and the Pain of the Gods arc of JLA, which had the reference to the Krona egg. I remember because it was the first time I was thoroughly disappointed in Busiek's writing with that arc.
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Well some Marvel and DC characters have the same name. What was the name?
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Azrael mentions a Marvel character at one point when when he is listing people's he's beaten and if I remember right that's from JLA/Avengers too
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- CaptainFoamerang
Silverspar on Kelly Hu: A face that could melt paint off the wall *shivers*
Someone play my AE arc! "The Heart of Statesman" ID: 343405
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He does later mention it again though when imo not "insane" but whatever.
| A note of interest is that in KnightsEnd, Jean-Paul Valley references his defeat of Marvel Comics' Jigsaw during the Batman/Punisher crossover Lake of Fire. This is a very rare mention of a character from another company in a non-intercompany capacity, made possible by the insanity of Jean-Paul. |
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So it wasn't JLA/Avengers, then. And the insanity thing going with knowledge of the other universe may be backed up by Joker knowing who Spider-Man was in Marvel vs DC.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
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He does later mention it again though when imo not "insane" but whatever. |
- CaptainFoamerang
Silverspar on Kelly Hu: A face that could melt paint off the wall *shivers*
Someone play my AE arc! "The Heart of Statesman" ID: 343405
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