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This is a major issue that I have with players teaming on uber builds in general. Most teams have some player(s) providing significant amounts of survivability to the entire team, so there's no real need for a player that isn't tanking to be built sturdy enough to tank the enemies solo. Because of this I like to assume (or at least pretend) that most players recognize this and rather than building for absurd survivability people are instead either ignoring the IO system or tweaking themselves for damage with only small amounts of survivability in mind.|
Originally Posted by Biospark
Hmmmm. This makes a great deal of sense.
However, this would not show numerically the point of how forcefields tends to provide huge benefits to the lower end of the scale (Level-wise) and assuming at level 50 with teams of IOed players, FF (as a set) would provide less overall benefit. This is kind of the reason I am leaning more toward a curve that shows performance of each set as you crank up additional contributory factors. The purpose not being to show how any particular set out-performs or under-performs, but to show the power-curve which that set provides from solo survival all the way up to self-sufficient team-mates (ones in which no benefit is required to survive). |
I know talking about soloing AV's or high difficulty mobs is a popular pass time, but I sincerely hope that the people I'm teaming with recognize team synergy exists... but then again I've seen players refuse to even enter the door of a mission because I didn't get a tank...
Anyway, I think FF does plenty to earn its spot on a team of any level, and what it lacks compared to other buff/debuff sets it's made up for by its consistency and how it can lessen a team's dependence on corner pulls and herding.
With that said, 3 amazing buffs that are about as hands off as it gets and 6 powers that are at best situational makes for a terrible primary. Changing repulsion bomb was a good start, but it really needs something to make it more active in general situations. Though I don't want to necessarily buff the set, I firmly support lifting the cottage rule for repel and replacing it with pretty much anything.
You touch my Repulsion Field and I KEEL you!
Force Bubble on the other hand? Have at it.
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Originally Posted by Westley
You touch my Repulsion Field and I KEEL you!
Force Bubble on the other hand? Have at it. |
Repulsion Field on the other hand? Have at it.
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Have you tried Mastermind/FF... talk about tedious!
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Originally Posted by Vanden
I don't think there's anything better for survivability than an FF defender, but it's so boring to play as a primary. We need incentive to play it in the form of it being fun for US to play!
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What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
There are two things I would change on FFs. One is give Force Bolt the tanker bruise treatment, let give a -20 percent resitance to damage which would imho give FFs a stacking bonus for the new changes to the Defender inherent. Two is let you spray paint advertisements on Dispersion bubble and give you 100 inf. everytime someone clicks on it. Change its name to GoogleAolTimewarnerMicrosoftApplebubble.com
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How about just giving it (Force Bolt) a -def effect with a decent duration 10+ sec. This would allow you to slot an achilles heel proc. |
Originally Posted by DreamsRazor
There are two things I would change on FFs. One is give Force Bolt the tanker bruise treatment, let give a -20 percent resitance to damage which would imho give FFs a stacking bonus for the new changes to the Defender inherent....
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Also give it some decent damage too. Its gotta hurt when you get tossed into the side of a building like that.
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Originally Posted by DreamsRazor
...Two is let you spray paint advertisements on Dispersion bubble and give you 100 inf. everytime someone clicks on it. Change its name to GoogleAolTimewarnerMicrosoftApplebubble.com
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I'd really like the sizes of dispursion and force bubble swapped~
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Originally Posted by Dersk
I'd really like the sizes of dispursion and force bubble swapped~
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What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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While tedious, I like it better on teams that get out of my way and let me do my job of handling alpha strike. Bots/ff is a lot like FF. It may not do a lot of different things, but what it does is freaking awesome.|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
Have you tried Mastermind/FF... talk about tedious!
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I don't have a simple answer for what needs to happen to FF to make it better. I would rather do a simple do over on the set, but then it's a completely different beast. I kind of like how it's the king of the bad PuG defender set. Too bad once you get a team that's above that level, the other defensive defender sets are vastly better options.
What if in addition to their normal effects, Repulsion Field and/or PFF acted like the Swap Ammo toggles and changed the behavior of Force or Dispersion Bubble? The powers are somewhat mutually exclusive anyway, so this would give us reasons to run them together.
I don't know if someone else has ideas about what the combo could achieve, but one suggestion is to have Repulsion + Force Bubble eliminate the Repel aspect of Force Bubble and change it to a debuff (-Range? -Damage? -Speed? -2000% Knockback Resistance, so if they get hit with knockback they go flying further? Periodic chance for Knock Up? AoE -Regen? -Intangible, so phased enemies come back as valid targets?).
If repulsion field didnt cost more end for each foe in pve I'd be happy. I got two bubblers neither of which have the power but as the rest of FF looks alright to me I can't complain about anything else.
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What if repulsion field was a placed power rather then a toggle power? Sort of like how you can use a singularity's repel field. Place down a repulsion field and you have a larger safe zone then you would normally have with repel.
Actually... Repusion field could be an interesting containment now that I think about it. What if repusion field kept the mobs in. Place the feild down.. then when the mobs hit the primiter of the field they are knocked back inside of it.
Or they could be smaller allowing the defender to construct repel walls and contain foes that way. Quick recharging, taunting, no attack, wall like orbs which can be destroyed.
That is what is really missing for me.. the ability to construct area or walllike constructs which is a common forcefield thing in comics.
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I think that's where the set fails on a conceptual level. Everything else fits or works but the lack of placed bubbles and that is the failing of two repel/KB PBAOEs. I wonder if it is truly too late to change this one due to cottage rule. If it's placed at your feet instead of as a targeted AOE it would work the same if you don't move.
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Originally Posted by Montaugh
That is what is really missing for me.. the ability to construct area or walllike constructs which is a common forcefield thing in comics.
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I think anything that can actually get into force bubble (or if you can artfully wriggle foes into by absolute luck or skill) the Force fielder should see some merit other then knockdown/repel the hard/tough cookie that can actually get in there and ignore due to knockdown/repel protection (or the hapless fodder that can be herded into it) should have the absolute SNOT debuffed out of them.
It aught to be like stepping to a reverse accelerate metab at least if not worse. Also reduce size to same or nearly same as dispersion.
My two cents.