For me, the Rikti war is still an ongoing problem. To my mind, the Traditionalists truce with Humanity is in effect, albeit with its ups and downs. Case in point; the Rikti in the Atlas Park DPO (Name, name, forgotten his name...) They haven't, however, revealed what the Rikti are, yet. Not in public anyway. But a chunk of the Vanguard affiliated Meta-populace know. Omega level security clearance, and all that.
The Lineage of War is still very much an active threat. New recruits from the Lost, backup from whatever portals they can open from the homeworld, drone production, etc etc. Until we get official closure on it, the war and Rikti civil war rage on 
Faultline is, indeed, done and dusted. Id say that running those missions is either non IC, some sort of flashback, or maybe even Doc Delilah giving History lessons. Whatever works, but the Psychochronometron was destroyed by Penny Yin. Doesn't mean the zones been cleaned up, and Arachnos are still there. Why wouldn't they be; its still a perfectly good entrenchment in Paragon City. Why give that up, given their eventual goal is its conquest?
Not sure about stuff like Frostfire and Atta. Or the Freakshow leaders, etc. One very good article when CoX first came out nailed it spot on as to why CityOf and Heroes are such good choices for an MMO. Fantasy worlds and such tend to be about change; Super Heroes fight to maintain the status quo. They fight to make sure tommorow happens at all. While the Villains fight for whatever they fight for. Heroes vs Villains perfectly suits the status quo that MMOs usually suffer for, because thats excatly what they achieve in comics too. The Joker will always break out of Arkham again, Magneto will always rise again to challenge humanity and the Xmen, etc etc.
The Heroes put them in jail. The Villains bust or are busted back out again. The cycle repeats so that tommorow may happen
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Come Issue 18, Frostfire goes Hero. Which presents issues with characters stating they've defeated Frostfire. In the past, it was either just nodded at vaguely that he's back out again, or sometimes stated that it was some kind of title. They get someone to stand in while the Main Man (not Lobo) is in jail or whatever.
Trouble is CB, the end of teh Rikti warzone arc and TFs results in teh same situation in the warzone you see today.
That being the Linage of War doing it's damndest as teh Restructurist faction to wipe out Paragon or pursuade the rest of the Rikti they're right, while the traditionalists (The by far smaller faction) have made peace with Humanity and are trying to stop the Linage in a civil war type scenario.
The only information that would be common knowledge from all this is that there are some Rikti who are good guys and possibley the Nemesis is behind the war.
Now, you speak of having somthing in game to show this? Well what of the lvl 10 Midnighter entry arc? That quite happily shows you right away the lost are working for the rikti and are infact behind it all, for the mission to be given at such a low level that seems like pretty common knoweledge and it fits your requirments.
Ar'Got Bur'Wot. That was the name. And yeah, Montague's arc comes in fairly early on. So maybe its at least known that some of the Rikti are ok. In what capacity isnt probably common knowledge. It still fairly obvious that; Majority of Rikti on Earth = Evil.
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Ar'Got Bur'Wot. That was the name. And yeah, Montague's arc comes in fairly early on. So maybe its at least known that some of the Rikti are ok. In what capacity isnt probably common knowledge. It still fairly obvious that; Majority of Rikti on Earth = Evil.
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Since they are the magical illuminate, it makes sense for them to known things that the general public don't.
See the Watchers/Trenchcoat brigade/Section 13/Hogwarts/any example of wizards in the 'real' world fiction that the club draws inspiration from.
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Are we going to keep shifting the goalposts here CB?
I found evidence that supports my claima nd fits in your requirments for making it canon, simpley put the Devs seem to treat everything that has happened ina previous issue as having happened, they don't get onto dealing with what comes next right away but i clearly happened, so saying an event six issues ago didn't happen srikes me as being silly.
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I sent that vial of blood we got from Lady Jane over to the Rikti, Argot'BurWot. He said he would have a report about it pretty soon. I asked him to tell me what it was, but he said he would deal with you and with you only. You up for going to see Argot'BurWot? |
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Thank you for coming to see me, Character. I've made a very impressive breakthrough in both my language and my research. I wanted to make sure you were the first to experience me. I have taken the vial of blood: from Montague. The blood is the cure for the Rikti virus in humans. In new words, I discovered a cure for the Lost. Recent humans are the only terms affected. However, Rikti technological barriers still block virus. Magic: once again key. I've been reading local practitioners and one woman's name resonates within me. I need you to take this to Azuria. I believe she will be able to find a way over this problem. |
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Ah, it's been some time since I've seen you around these parts, Character. What can I help you with? A Rikti... on our side... trying to cure the Lost. That's impos... that's interesting. I would keep this knowledge to yourself. Many here would not believe you and if they did, there's no telling what they'd want to do to that... thing. I will aid you, though, as your name is well regarded here in Atlas. Take this wand. Once infused with the Rikti components, it should do the trick and get past the technology barrier nicely. |
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So how'd Lady Jane get Hero One's blood post RIktifictation then? Y'know, one of the key parts of that there arc.
And there is a differencence between mutal non agression and active aid in curing a plague that converst your people into thiers.
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So how'd Lady Jane get Hero One's blood post RIktifictation then? Y'know, one of the key parts of that there arc.
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A Vial of Blood Lady Jane gives you a vial that she says contains blood from Hero 1. This in and of itself isn't that interesting. The interesting part is that she claims it comes from Hero 1 after he entered the Rikti Portal to stop the first Rikti Invasion. She believes that in the right hands, this blood could contain a cure for the Lost. |
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The vial Lady Jane gave you contains some of Hero 1's blood. She claims that the blood comes from Hero 1 after he entered the Rikti Portal. I don't know how she got that, perhaps that's what she was trying to track down in the chest she was after. Who knows? There's also a data file regarding the research that Dawn Patrol was doing on the Lost. This might be useful for our new friend Argot'BurWot. Well done, Character. |
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Again this is just my opinion given the major effects having the Omega clearance stuff become common knowledge would have on the world, and given the nature of the Rikti the impact on their attacking strength.
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Yet nearly everyone seems to know in thata rc that the Lost and Humans being converted into Rikti, which is Omega elvel clearance, teh ebst selling novel mentioend only indicates the Rikti traditalists are good guys adn that Nemesis started the war, doesn't reveal the Rikti are humans thing.
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Yet nearly everyone seems to know in thata rc that the Lost and Humans being converted into Rikti, which is Omega elvel clearance, teh ebst selling novel mentioend only indicates the Rikti traditalists are good guys adn that Nemesis started the war, doesn't reveal the Rikti are humans thing.
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People who could have Omega Level clearance (given the artifacts Azuria is in charge of, it's possible her clearance is that high), could find it out themselves, or already know it.
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You're kinda forgetting the most key character in the entire arc.
Really how you missed them I'll never know, but here I'll enlighten you;
The Hero, who at the stage in the career this mission unlocks, is only jsut out of the rookie fighting Hellions stage, so if a Rookie hero is treated as knowing these things as a matter of course (Things here being defined as The Traditionalsits being good guys and not Richards, and teh Lost being Humans transforemd into Rikti) it's reasonable to assume the knowledge is not that uncommon.
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You're kinda forgetting the most key character in the entire arc.
Really how you missed them I'll never know, but here I'll enlighten you; The Hero, who at the stage in the career this mission unlocks, is only jsut out of the rookie fighting Hellions stage, so if a Rookie hero is treated as knowing these things as a matter of course (Things here being defined as The Traditionalsits being good guys and not Richards, and teh Lost being Humans transforemd into Rikti) it's reasonable to assume the knowledge is not that uncommon. |
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Briefing Surprisingly, we've managed to glean some information from the computer parts you've recovered. It looks like I've got another rescue operation for you, a very untraditional one at that. Mission Acceptance I need you to rescue a Rikti. Yes, you heard me right. His name's Argot'BurWot, a Rikti Traditionalist being held captive by an opposing Rikti force, the Restructurists. I don't claim to be an expert on Rikti politics, but I do know that Argot has asked for asylum and the Vanguard have agreed to grant it to him. Since you found the intelligence, we thought you'd want to be the one who brought him in. Rescue Argot'BurWot. Unnecessary Solicitation You need to track down the research facility where they are holding Argot'BurWot and rescue him. Mission Objective(s) The fact that there is such a thing as a 'good' Rikti seems odd, but if what Montague says is true, Argot'BurWot could hold the key to bringing them down. * Rescue Argot'BurWot o Defeat Ci'dion You're rescued Argot'BurWot. |
Also the missions never outright mention that the Lost are being turned into Rikti, instead...
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Montague Castanella came to you and asked you to rescue Percy Winkley, an adventurous lad who often got in over his head. During his rescue in a Circle of Thorns den, you came across some Lost. Percy told you the Lost were looking for something and the Midnight Squad wanted to know what. This led you to an abandoned office where you found a hole that went deep underground. At the end of that twisting cave, you came to a Rikti research facility and came face to face with Ci'dion, a true Rikti. You learned that the Rikti were attempting to remove magic from the world, thereby eliminating their weakness to it. Something had to be done. With the help of a Rikti scientist named Argot'BurWot, who was seeking asylum, and the new leader of the Dawn Patrol, a woman named Lady Jane, you and the Midnight Squad began to form a plan. You began gathering the pieces you needed to put together a device that would cure the Lost of the Rikti virus, the Lost Curing Wand. With the wand in hand, you went to the streets and began returning the Lost to the people they once were. With the Lost cured, the Rikti no longer had any control over them. What will the Rikti do without their Lost running around causing havoc, stealing needed supplies and gathering intelligence for them? What effect will this have on the Rikti army? Only time will tell. |
Again Dawn Patrol are researching the Rikti<->Lost connection.
At no point does any of the text imply your hero knows why this will cure the Lost.
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Ergo in my opinion these events are happening alongside the RWZ stuff, but prior to your character being cleared for the big secret. Perhaps the first inkling your character gets towards the truth behind the Lost's true mutation, but not yet proof.
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Perhaps, though one thing that we do know is the Midnighter arc happened, ebcause issues after it have added more content based on those arcs having been successful, threfore teh Midnigther arc has by your definition happened, so the inkling of the Lost Rikti connection in addition to the Traditonalists being good guys does indeed seem to be out there now, unless you're saying they'd somehow keep the Lost Cure a secret?
Not to mention, if the arcs are happening at teh same time as each other or one slightly before or after the other, when we have other issues pumping out arcs related it must mean that by your logic the RWZ arcs have happened.
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Perhaps, though one thing that we do know is the Midnighter arc happened, ebcause issues after it have added more content based on those arcs having been successful, threfore teh Midnigther arc has by your definition happened, so the inkling of the Lost Rikti connection in addition to the Traditonalists being good guys does indeed seem to be out there now, unless you're saying they'd somehow keep the Lost Cure a secret?
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The Midnight club storyline is also something that ongoing in present day CoX time, while it's happened in your characters personal storyline (Their progression to 1-50) it hasn't happened in the games storyline.
Please note the differences between the faultline stuff and the MC/RWZ stuff.
MC/RWZ build up to a big, epic, TF fight, with world changing/saving consequences... and nothing happens. The Rikti still attack with the same strength, the lost are still on the streets and the events are never mentioned again.
Faultline does the same, only things actually happen after it. Fusionette gets more powerful, updates her wardrobe, her boyfriend gets over his father issue enough to start using his powers for the betterment of mankind, Penelope Yin becomes powerful enough to attract Rikti attention, and the attention of the Clockwork King.
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In my own opinion, the games time line, doesn't update storyline by storyline, but in omnibus/volume format.
So rather than this happening, then this, then that. It updates in a block, so the MC and RWZ stuff will be in the same block/episode/volume.
Assuming they add missions/systems that reference these events as past events.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
But as explained, at the end of the RWZ arc (TF nonewithstanding, but then like the STF you can't really count the LGTF to have happened) the RWZ state makes perfect sence as even fter teh LGTF they still ahve a working motherhsip and ample forces to keep raiding, which they do, nothing in the arc takes away this capability,r educed thier troop serngth, opens upa civil war sure, doesn't stop them from raiding though.
Sheeeeeesh!
Guys, its a game.
It is a game designed so that someone starting a level 1 character today can experience all the plots and stories available. The mysteries they will solve have never before been solved by them, the villains they are sent to defeat haven't just been defeated by 35 other teams already that day from their perspective.
Conversely, someone who has been playing for years and has personally uncovered who and what the Rikti are, has personally defeated the Riktified Hero 1, and has done all the other major arcs is kind of in a different timeline. Those things have happened in the past if those things have happened in that character's past.
The whole game is an instanced narrative. There's no rocket science to that.
As to roleplay, where one character who is 'new' to the content is meeting another that is old and it has all happened, well, you sort it out between yourselves as RPers. There is no right and wrong, only the agreement you come to over which timeline you use - the high character's where all the plots have been uncovered, or the newer character's where they haven't.
If you can't reach an agreement, then its a moot point because the fictional pretendy fun-time game characters don't exist in the same timeline. Perhaps Pocket D touches upon more dimensions than you'd assumed?
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Issues and when do their events become canon as having happened?
What are peoples views on this?
My personal one, is that story lines/issues do not occur until the devs provide us with stuff that references the events as having happened.
As an example, I class the Faultline storyline as stuff that has happened already, because the characters involved have shown to have grown from their experiences (though yeah Fusionette lol) and moved on in their plot/story/life line during the story lines/TF presented in the RWZ.
I don't however class the RWZ story lines and TF as having happened yet, because the devs have not provided us with anything, that moves those plots onwards. Perhaps issue 18 or 19 will provide more info on how things are going Rikti wise, but if I were to accept that this storyline has occured, then I'd either need a years output from a fudge factory to ignore any Rikti zone attacks or accept one of these two outcomes.
A) The combined forces of Heroes and Villains are simply infective against the Rikti forces, despite disrupting their supply lines, destroying their portals, capturing/killing their generals and other leaders, killing/defeating their elite corrupted hero and establishing a civil war back home... We are simply unable to prevent them from posting a sizable force at locations of interest, and attacking several (sometimes all) zones at once.
B)The peace force either failed, and were destroyed by the warmongers before they could reveal the truth to the Rikti populace, or that the Rikti are complete monsters, who don't care they are killing innocents for no reason, having discovered the truth and carried on regardless.
Of course that is just my own view on the situation, as the big reveal about what the Rikti are, happening on a world wide scale, would be a fairly major world changing event... but hasn't had any visible effects in the game world.
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