lets see, a few benefits of human only pb; you will enjoy knowing you spent more money on ur toon than anyone else in the zone (aside from louie kaboom), ur toon will be a nice blaster that gets phase w/o concealment pool, you get two heals, and you will always have the question of why you have such an expensive blaster when a psi/em does it better with half the investment.
benefits of the triform: when slotted right, nova will have 196 ft range attacks that recharge by the time the attack animation is over. You can have 3 heals bc of dwarf heal along with 2 human heals. Transforming into Dwarf can get you out of mez and holds. Dwarf has teleport that can be nice. If ur on a large enough team, vills won't focus on a PB that's 200 ft in the air, and when they do, quantum flight away.
ok thanks..i think im going to do the human for though.
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Originally Posted by Deus
lets see, a few benefits of human only pb; you will enjoy knowing you spent more money on ur toon than anyone else in the zone (aside from louie kaboom), ur toon will be a nice blaster that gets phase w/o concealment pool, you get two heals, and you will always have the question of why you have such an expensive blaster when a psi/em does it better with half the investment.
benefits of the triform: when slotted right, nova will have 196 ft range attacks that recharge by the time the attack animation is over. You can have 3 heals bc of dwarf heal along with 2 human heals. Transforming into Dwarf can get you out of mez and holds. Dwarf has teleport that can be nice. If ur on a large enough team, vills won't focus on a PB that's 200 ft in the air, and when they do, quantum flight away. |
"ummmm thanks for delving so deeply into why it would def be better to go tri form...im still going with human form though despite it all."
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If you are PvPing on a PB and aren't triform you're doing it wrong.
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this....nova form is a minisniper,high dmg ,turrent that can make every attack a proc bomb....
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Originally Posted by macskull
If you are PvPing on a PB and aren't triform you're doing it wrong.
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I'll disagree a bit here. Dwarf form for the heal and TP (as an escape) should always be taken. Then either take and slot out human form (lots of procs for bolt and eye) OR take nova and slot your human powers for HP and other bonuses. |
Originally Posted by macskull
If you are PvPing on a PB and aren't triform you're doing it wrong.
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Personally I like human with dwarf heal for my main PB build. As stated above it's expensive to build it right and you are not going to be even close to blaster damage. This is probably my favourite build/toon to play. I still get plenty of kills (solo) on it and it's certainly my most survivable toon. Lightform really makes human form alot of fun because you can ignore power animations and just fire and keep moving.
If you build around Nova (which would essentially be tri-form) you are going to have blaster level damage (with decent range)but you are going to be easier to spike and webnades or any other -fly (enough to get past 4.0) is going to irritate you. My second PB build focuses on Nova with 1738 HPs and it's fun but it's really clicky with all the form shifting (not so much with a human form + dwarf heal.)
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That's whats so great about PBs, many different ways to build and play. Other than dealing with someone that built a Bane with the sole purpose of lobbing Webnades in zone their entire time, my Nova used to fire off at 170ft and do pretty good from the sky without many issues. Nades meant I would hit SS and evade or SS + built in phase until safe. With Quantum Fly up every 25secs and some good binds, occassional nades weren't that much of a big deal really.|
Originally Posted by Mercury_Down
If you build around Nova (which would essentially be tri-form) you are going to have blaster level damage (with decent range)but you are going to be easier to spike and webnades or any other -fly (enough to get past 4.0) is going to irritate you. My second PB build focuses on Nova with 1738 HPs and it's fun but it's really clicky with all the form shifting (not so much with a human form + dwarf heal.)
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Its good to see more than one way to play an AT.
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"when a stalker goes blue side, assassination strike should be renamed "bunny hugs", and a rainbow should fly out" -Harbinger-
Yep. Count me in the "definitely triform" camp for PB PvP.
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I also rolled a human + dwarf pvp PB, and I just dont like it as much as the tri-form. Tri-form and human + dwarf both have great escapability, but it really comes down to ur play style. You have to be a little more patient using tri-form bc like Mercury said, spikes and webnades can irritate the poo out of you.
when I'm in nova form, the second I get hit, I quantum flight, and wait a few seconds bc if I don't, I'll get held and spiked. Nova has to have the mentality of a stalker (not the SHRAK SHRAK SHRAK nom nom nom stalkers), pick and choose targets wisely and you will be left alone for the most part.
running a PB without binds, imo, is almost impossible, there is too many toggles and things going on not to have a bunch of binds. Binds for transforming into each form and quantum flight are the musts, everything else is preference (heals and travel powers for human and dwarf step).
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Binds really are a req for that AT if effectiveness is a goal.
In PvP, that req is even more vital.
Regards,
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IMO an all human PB is better for PvP. With an all human you dont have to worry about retoggle after changing shapes. I know binds help, but until all the toggles are back you are vulnerable. With keep at only one form I was able to slot better since I did not have to spread out all slots between 3 different forms. |
Originally Posted by Liberty Kid 1
Which is a good way to go for a PB in pvp tri-form or human form? I see a lot of people talking about human form. What are its benefits and what are tri-form benefits?
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The nova form does way more damage, but cannot take a lot of damage. The dwarf for can take a lot of damage, but cannot dish it out. I believe the PB human form is a perfect medium for my play style. I know people like to shoot from almost 200ft away in nova form, but I like to get in the mix and I like to play aggressive.
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LOL...Are you just trying to get them killed? Since I have been playing I have never seen a Tri-form beat a Human PB in a duel. Whenever I see a Squid in the air I just turn on my jetpack and kill them. On a tanker form I just keep on attacking until they are dead. PB Human builds are harder to kill if they get the basic PvP travel powers such as Super Speed/Super Jump and with all the damn self heals makes them a pain in the *** to kill.|
Originally Posted by macskull
If you are PvPing on a PB and aren't triform you're doing it wrong.
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I am rolling a PB to play on the villain side once GR comes out. I know they cannot start in the Yellow side, but I can change sides at a low level.
lvl 50 - Elec/WP/Mu Mastery Stalker, lvl 50 - Dark/EA/Soul Mastery Stalker, lvl 50 - EM/Nin/Soul Mastery Stalker
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Originally Posted by Aumakua
LOL...Are you just trying to get them killed?
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Originally Posted by Aumakua
Since I have been playing I have never seen a Tri-form beat a Human PB in a duel.
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Whenever I see a Squid in the air I just turn on my jetpack and kill them.
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with all the damn self heals makes them a pain in the *** to kill.
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Rolling a PB as human only without at least the dwarf is a very bad idea. I know re-toggling is annoying, but adding at least the dwarf makes a PB a lot more escapable. And unless you're TRU WARRIR !!!! you're going to need to escape often nowadays in coh.
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It may be the Tris that you are killing so easily were not built very well or are just beginning and have not figured out their binds yet. If you can solo kill a Tri-form PB with your Tank or even a Stalker, they are definitely doing it wrong like Mac says. If a Tri works on recharge, Essence Boost can be close to perma'd which takes you in Squid form upto 1900 HPs (more if you build it better than I did mine). Low on HPs while fighting? Bind switch to Dwarf or Human in the air, heal, bind switch back to Squid and keep on pew pewing. Well built Doms with solid holds should worry solo Tris more than nades. |
Originally Posted by Aumakua
LOL...Are you just trying to get them killed? Since I have been playing I have never seen a Tri-form beat a Human PB in a duel. Whenever I see a Squid in the air I just turn on my jetpack and kill them. On a tanker form I just keep on attacking until they are dead. PB Human builds are harder to kill if they get the basic PvP travel powers such as Super Speed/Super Jump and with all the damn self heals makes them a pain in the *** to kill.
I am rolling a PB to play on the villain side once GR comes out. I know they cannot start in the Yellow side, but I can change sides at a low level. |
I think Human form is a viable way to go for people not concerned with min/maxing, kind of like a Blapper with shields. That said, you can't hate on Nova with 170ft blasts, Build Up that carries over to Nova for additional dmg and a phase that is up every 25 seconds along with Superspeed for escapes. That is a PB that is hard to kill by a group and is getting kills in the process. Also, that's solo, without a team to add to your stats using Cosmic Balance.
Based on the concept of maximizing your range, Novas should be able to get many opponents to half health before they can close the gap and start attacking. Fly around in Human form with Tactics, Invisibility and Stealth IO until you spot someone. BU, switch to Nova and squishies are usually dead in a few hits. Back to Human form, rinse and repeat...it works pretty well. I haven't tried a Human for PvP, but it seems that there would be a lot of shield retoggling to do when going Dwarf for the heal and then back to Human...maybe not that big of a deal, IDK.
One of the things PvP 2.0 is lacking is variety and I like the concept of Human PBs also, but it's definitely not the only or even best way to go depending on your playstyle. I'm looking forward to having an "evil" PB for GR as well...see you there
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"when a stalker goes blue side, assassination strike should be renamed "bunny hugs", and a rainbow should fly out" -Harbinger-
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Originally Posted by Deus
Ok, to lol at mac...not cool
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lvl 50 - Elec/WP/Mu Mastery Stalker, lvl 50 - Dark/EA/Soul Mastery Stalker, lvl 50 - EM/Nin/Soul Mastery Stalker
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lvl 21 - StJ/WP Stalker
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It was funny so I LOL. I thought he was just being a sarcastic and I found it funny.
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Once you have your PB built up and ready, holla at me and we can try a Human vs Tri duel. Even though my build is a like 4 issues old, b4 I went overseas a few months ago...I dueled a couple of Human form PBs who promised me that they could not be beat by a Tri and it was fun to say the least.
"Forum PvP doesn't give drops. Just so all of you who participated in this thread are aware." -Mod08-
"when a stalker goes blue side, assassination strike should be renamed "bunny hugs", and a rainbow should fly out" -Harbinger-
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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
One of the things PvP 2.0 is lacking is variety and I like the concept of Human PBs also, but it's definitely not the only or even best way to go depending on your playstyle. I'm looking forward to having an "evil" PB for GR as well...see you there
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lvl 50 - Elec/WP/Mu Mastery Stalker, lvl 50 - Dark/EA/Soul Mastery Stalker, lvl 50 - EM/Nin/Soul Mastery Stalker
New Toons
lvl 21 - StJ/WP Stalker
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I'll get in on this action! Forum name same as global? Mine is human with dwarf, does that still count?
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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
Mac is one of the handful of helpful ppl on here that don't go the sarcastic or forum PvP route while giving solid advice.
Once you have your PB built up and ready, holla at me and we can try a Human vs Tri duel. Even though my build is a like 4 issues old, b4 I went overseas a few months ago...I dueled a couple of Human form PBs who promised me that they could not be beat by a Tri and it was fun to say the least. |
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If said squid is smart, theyll hit you with I-Strike, do a massive amount of dmg, and make it so your jet pack is useless. Sounds like you need to fight a better PB
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Originally Posted by Aumakua
Whenever I see a Squid in the air I just turn on my jetpack and kill them.
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I fought you on my storm the other day right??
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Originally Posted by Mercury_Down
I'll get in on this action! Forum name same as global? Mine is human with dwarf, does that still count?
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Yessir!
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Originally Posted by __Divine__
I fought you on my storm the other day right??
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Which is a good way to go for a PB in pvp tri-form or human form? I see a lot of people talking about human form. What are its benefits and what are tri-form benefits?