For Justice

This is why there should only be one mod who rules with an iron fist, silences everyone and eats all the Boston Creams first before leaving everyone else with the sprinkly donuts.

No one was harassed..

There are only 2 people that were picked that shouldn't have been abused by the "Powers That Be"

JFA2010 and JU are *BOTH* "Family" channels, try to tell me otherwise is plain foolish...

I Haven't seen *anybody* "deep down south" or "far into the east" where their felt immature or under a certain "age limit of understanding"

People tell me to "make my own channel" but how long did it take for Chome to gain the masses like JFA did?

People fail to understand that channels, and this game are two thing wrapped in one, but people always tell me "I want to play the game, not mod the channel" that is the problem, even ask Tic-Toc, he's no longer around and was tired himself about "policing" the people his channels created...

Nighttime after 9pm MT to me is rather dead, few ITF's but not not as much as during the day when I am mostly working, so if people want to <shoot the <@#$%&> until then should be ok as long as no one is reporting offenses to the mods, that so hard?

Religion and Politics were not part of any of the discussions, so it was the "Powers That Be" that felt this should be a "game" and not a "chat service to be argumentative" when we weren't.

They even woke poor Chrome and forced the poor person to voice out for those to cowardly to speak for themselves...(you male or female?, I didn't know, will correct myself in the future)

It's very hard for somebody view the 2 main Justice Channels and find anything so late in the night, so if people are harmlessly just chatting shouldn't be "segregated" to make an example of, those 2 people are silenced and will PM you personally to unsilence them as my point, that's if you choose to, but then again you'll discipline them accordingly won't you?

That main fact is that Justice is all about Drama and Randomness, don't kill Justice, don't make victims suffer cause you want to "Keep Order" learn and understand that certain time..NOTHING IS GOING ON! if it doesn't look like we suffer from tourettes syndrome, if there was no religion or politics involved, or anything of that matter, it should be OK, for awhile, till somebody that SERIOUSLY needs help or is forming something, that's when things should be modded, to keep the channel what it's focused on, and when it's not, "whatever goes, but keep it from angering everyone and not to offend"

When people are PM'ing me as why they were silenced, I feel personally obligated to voice out their concerns, I not a Mod, do not have your public PM me about things to why they felt victim to unfair ruling, I multitask and chat and play at the same time, I do not want to be Sigmund Freud and try to rationize your Mods actions, so take them aside and govern them properly on trying to "Think Before You Act"

I am Adult, 30+ years at that, I goof up in slips cause I'm free natured and passionate about the life I have even though I gave them up many years ago, but I understand the Prime time might not be best suited for "Adult Conversations" but when all is calm and people want to just keep alive until something comes up, they should, that really hard? that's what I'm really getting at, people pop in and have no clue whats going on and have powers and short judgments, they do irrational things, like what happened last night, and it's not something I wish these channels to turn into, a place where we are forced to be silent of our individualism, INDIVIDUALISM is JUSTICE!

Why is only Candlestick the one on my side on this?

You need me, Springfield. Your guilty conscience may move you to vote Democratic, but deep down you long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king. That's why I did this, to save you from yourselves. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a city to run.

Grown man cries that he cannot release his inner unkempt child.

Pants were soiled and removed.

Belt was tightened.

Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach.

um...nvm.

Daemonic Visions of Randomness, peaceful and civil

Big Brother Logging on to Justice, forgetting what Justice is about, cause it's late at night.

People trying to die down the chatter, but was preemptive by swift unfair Justice.

Daemonic Visions continues on, watching the world burn.

The End.


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Me too, kept Justice Alive Iggy did..

That ship is sailing under a different pint now, no?

Um...not quite. Individualism tends towards anarchy. You could probably closest ascribe individualism to Freedom, which is a different server.

Maybe the silent majority is silent because it is the sound of one hand clapping.

In all seriousness, running a channel isn't as easy as throwing a bunch of people in a room. Otherwise everyone would be doing it. Which they aren't, as you yourself have pointed out.

People *want* a degree of moderation and control, which is partly why JFA and JU are popular. The problem you have is that the moderation in those channels may be too tight for you, which is also understandable. Sorry, but I doubt any mod of those channels is going to change the way they operate because you are emotional about it here. Being rational and calm, and discussing things outside of any raw feeling incidents would be a better way of approaching things if you *truly* wanted to effect change.

You are seeing few people agree with you here because most people here are moderators of (other) channels, know how much cat herding really goes on, and agree with Chrome, and thus disagree with you.

Sorry, but this is like trying to beard the lion in his den.

People seem to think "Adult Time" = drama and player bashing. They are unhappy with not being able to do such things and need to make a new channel.



*note i was not there this is how this thread reads to me


Also on a personal note being a channel mod is a royal pain in my ***, I loose hours of game time debating with people who are asked nicely to stop but wish to argue my dictatorish misuse of my mod power.

I see what you did there!

*shrug* Mods in one or both them tell you differently, but you call them fools or liars. Gotcha.

In English we say, "Good morning."

So you want the JfA or Chrome channels to be your own, but without putting in the time and work that it took those people?

Huh?

Two things - first, I very much agree that in this game, global channels are where the real community occurs. For other games, it's in their guilds or whatnot, but in this game it's globals.

Secondly, if you had a point in your Tic-Toc story, it wasn't clear.

Provided it stays within the rules of whatever venue, is there really any assertion that it isn't?

No idea what it is you are saying or more importantly, intended to say here. Again, if you have a problem with how something occurs in JU, take it up with Chrome. If it's in JfA, take it up with a mod.

I understand your position, if people sent you tells. On the other hand, I've had 520 people send me PMs refuting your position, just in the time it took me to write this response.

See the problem? Doubly so if you're arguing policy.

As it is, everyone has the same recourse with mod actions or policies - take it up with Chrome if it's in JU, or with a JfA mod if it's in JfA.

There was a reason why Hercules elected not to bear the weight of the world on his shoulders.

Again, providing the rules are followed (and let's be honest, neither channel has a lot of rules), where's the problem?

I can name 3 people right now who annoy me a lot in global channels, and they know it. They also know that they're free to discuss whatever inane topic they want to, so long as they don't violate the rules.

I can only answer why I'm not.

See, you don't voluntarily join a channel (thereby agreeing to follow the rules of that channel) and then tell everyone that they're wrong for having the channel meme the way it is.

There's a much better recourse:

Get out.

Look, not every channel is for everyone, nor is everyone for every channel. If you join a public channel and then want to complain about the rules of it, I get that. I really do. But let me ask you this - did you ever stop and think that maybe it's because of those rules that they became so trendy?

Not saying it's the case, nor am I saying that you have no right to feel outraged if you were geniunely the victim of poor moderation. As I said, I wasn't there so I can't comment on it.

However, there are venues to take to air your dispute. Even here, there are more constructive ways of doing so without people totally dismissing you.

I will say this though. If you'd like JU to be the type of place where you can get into adult chat just because it's late at night for you, then based on my understanding of the channel purpose, you may wish to leave it as I don't think it'll be the sort of place you'll be comfortable in.

I can be brusque and abrasive, I know. I would hope you understand that I'm being honest with you - when you start to rant, your position loses focus and I have no idea what you're saying. Try to avoid rhetoric and simply explain things, it causes less room for misunderstanding.

I was there and did not notice said player bashing, although I guess the argument could be made that someone was talking about another someone who had that someone on global ignore?

I'm confused.

Pint or Tankard?

To quote Sally Fields: ".... I've wanted more than anything to have your respect. The first time I didn't feel it, but this time I feel it, and I can't deny the fact that you like me, right now, you like me!"

I had step up (and make a new channel) or shut up typed out but thought it was too abrasive.



Also @Cai I did see the chat logs but after numerous mods tellind DV JFA was an adult channel which he argues against.I can only assume that adult time to him is something not allowed by both channels hense my player abuse/drama assumption

No, they are not.

The Mods of JFA and JU have addressed the 'double mod'ing'. The channels have different rules/guidelines in each channel, and the mods understand that. They may parallel in many ways, but in other ways they vastly differ.

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Is this the boat comment?



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That ship has sailed, Merms.

I meant from a comment from a conversation last night. Not the other ship.

People also told me not to listen to Pumb, that it's all his fault.

See wut i did there?

<.< >.>

I'm on a boat!!

Don't rock the boat!

3 people total were silenced last night. Only 1 was borderline as to whether or not it should have happened.

As Mermoine has already stated, the channels ARE indeed different. While there are similarities, there are also big differences.

Makes no sense.

Exactly. Making a quality global channel, getting people to join up, etc, takes work. People like you want to ride in on the shoulders of others, enjoying the benefits of the work they've done, and then complain when they didn't create it the way you wanted it created.

I can name a few mods that we all know off the top of my head who stepped down mostly because they became tired of modding. It does wear on you. That is their choice. However I fail to see what it really has to do with this issue.

Nope, not as long as it's within the rules of the channel, not hard at all.

IIRC, religion and politic were brought up AFTER we started trying to get everyone to change the subject. Which begs the question, if we're trying to get you guys to move to a more safe and family friendly subject, why try switching to religion and politics?

I can completely speak for this point. I posted what happened, and chat logs, on Chrome's forums last night. Within a short time I had a reply from Chrome. I don't have his phone number, or IM, or anything like that. Which means....guess what? HE WAS STILL AWAKE!!! Please don't make assumptions to which you know nothing about. Also, Chrome and several other JU mods have posted in this thread. How are we "forcing Chrome to speak for us"??? Again, please don't make assumptions, it doesn't help you one bit.

It probably is very hard when someone is looking to engage in the types of conversation that were being engaged in.

I'm sorry, I thought Champion was the official drama server??? THIS IS JUSTICE, HEAR US ROAR!!! I love Justice, and while drama is going to happen in any situation, I really don't feel that your views on Justice are accurate at all. And I'll state once again, us mods would rather PLAY the game, so if we're taking time out to MOD you, then doesn't that tell you there's a reason for it? We didn't all just get together and say "We'll make the members of JU miserable tonight." Seriously....come on now.

Duly noted. However as you may have noticed, nobody except the people who were causing the problems last night agrees with you.

People make mistakes, accidents happen. But when 4 mods come in the channel and ask you to stop, and you refuse to do so, it becomes no longer a mistake or an accident, but actions that are obviously on purpose.

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Ok, can we just be done with this? JU has rules, they are posted here on the forums and on the MOTD. If you choose to not abide by said rules, you'll get silenced at bare minimum.

If this is not agreeable, then as Enrious put it, leave the channel. It gets no simpler than that.