I don't know if I should:
1) say "lolwut" happened?
OR
2) get my popcorn ready!
... In before the chaos maybe???
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Yes, I think it's time Justice has a third "Main" channel, but this one should NOT be considered a "Family" channel. Most of us are adults, and should be able to discuss things normally, without having to moderate our language down to a G rated level, or be smacked if we start having conversations outside of "sanctioned" areas.
I do have a channel ready to go, "Heretics of Justice", but really, anyone who feels like taking the initiative and creating a third main channel for Justice should do so.
Justice United and JFA have their places, but they also have limitations that irritate many adult players.
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Basically, people in Justice United were talking general late night Justice chat. Aka, going all over the spectrum in topics. Moderators started tossing out silences, and generally getting well... Pissy. Some people were not pleased.
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Originally Posted by CityofChange
I don't know if I should:
1) say "lolwut" happened? OR 2) get my popcorn ready! ... In before the chaos maybe??? |
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Originally Posted by Candlestick
Basically, people in Justice United were talking general late night Justice chat. Aka, going all over the spectrum in topics. Moderators started tossing out silences, and generally getting well... Pissy. Some people were not pleased.
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Originally Posted by Candlestick
Yes, I think it's time Justice has a third "Main" channel, but this one should NOT be considered a "Family" channel. Most of us are adults, and should be able to discuss things normally, without having to moderate our language down to a G rated level, or be smacked if we start having conversations outside of "sanctioned" areas.
I do have a channel ready to go, "Heretics of Justice", but really, anyone who feels like taking the initiative and creating a third main channel for Justice should do so. Justice United and JFA have their places, but they also have limitations that irritate many adult players. |
Do not lump JFA and JU together in that way. JFA is not a 'family channel' and the one person that advertised that was swiftly corrected. It's not an 'all out brawl' channel, we just ask that people respect one another and keep their dirty laundry (i.e. game drama) to themselves or in tells.
p.s. Please don't take this as a sneer against the idea for a 3rd channel. That's not my intentions in this post. I simply wanted to straighten out the JFA part.
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How hard is it to respect one another? If people are calling each other out.. the channels are there to provide a service to people who are looking for teams, events etc (this is hard to do when drama is there attacking people).. I mean if one wants to curse, talk about porn, be "Adult" etc then they're plenty of alternatives. |
Originally Posted by Candlestick
Justice United and JFA have their places, but they also have limitations that irritate many adult players.
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Just note that they're a number of other channels, SG channels, Private channels that you could join to do this thing or Vent, Team Speak, etc.
But from a JU perspective the channel has its rules posted here: (Also its in the MOTD of the channel so there is no confusion)
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...90#post2369290
JFA has there rules posted here: (even though I was under the impression that it wasn't a family channel)
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=214762
If someone got silenced for not following the rules then there really isn't much excuse its listed here on the forums and in the MoTD. Really the rule is to simply RESPECT one another.. how hard is that? I mean isn't that how Adults are supposed to do anyways? What ever took place should have been kept out of channel.
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Originally Posted by DaemonicVisions
Justice needs an Adult Time channel, or least one that's acceptable during a certain time when all is quiet...
You set Rules, I understand, you all want to control the masses, you want "Order Within Chaos", but when none are "Playing The Game", why is the downtime of what people do considered wrong? |
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Originally Posted by DaemonicVisions
No Politic or Religion was involved? was it? just simple people sprouting out words to keep them in game till something came up for them to take part of...
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Here is an example of what took place last night
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Why call out someone in channel that you know has you on global ignore? (just one of the senerios that took place) What purpose does that serve? Other than having a desperate need for attention? Everyone see's them attacking that person in channel EXCEPT the person being attacked? Is this the ADULT thing you're talking about? Again just sounds pretty childesh to me. I still have no idea what purpose that served..
If you take issue or were silenced and want to talk more about it then feel free to PM me. If you were silenced in JFA I am sure any mod there wouldn't mine talking to you in PM's either.
Note* there is a thread a few rows down that talks about what to do when harrassed. If we are all adults here then that shouldn't happen.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=229215
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Originally Posted by DaemonicVisions
I want no fights, I am a Passionate Man, but don't kill off the life that is Justice, your pretty much killing the game that most wish to play by doing so...
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Just to clarify I am not trying to flame anyone here, but if you want to start up a third channel then good luck with that. I am not trying to stop you from doing so, but just trying to understand the Adult stuff that you speak is all, since a lot of the adult stuff in the chat logs were not very adult at all and simply more or less childesh acts. Once again I am merely talking from a JU perspective.
In any event I am sure/positive that a simple tell or PM to a mod would have stopped this type of thing. But seems like a few people wanted drama. I wasn't online at the time, but if anyone has issue with how something was handled feel free to PM me about it.
Anyone that takes issue with anything I have said here feel free to PM me on these forums.
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Originally Posted by Mermoine
Do not lump JFA and JU together in that way. JFA is not a 'family channel' and the one person that advertised that was swiftly corrected. It's not an 'all out brawl' channel, we just ask that people respect one another and keep their dirty laundry (i.e. game drama) to themselves or in tells.
p.s. Please don't take this as a sneer against the idea for a 3rd channel. That's not my intentions in this post. I simply wanted to straighten out the JFA part. |
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Originally Posted by Chrome_Family
How hard is it to respect one another? If people are calling each other out.. the channels are there to provide a service to people who are looking for teams, events etc (this is hard to do when drama is there attacking people).. I mean if one wants to curse, talk about porn, be "Adult" etc then they're plenty of alternatives.
Just note that they're a number of other channels, SG channels, Private channels that you could join to do this thing or Vent, Team Speak, etc. But from a JU perspective the channel has its rules posted here: (Also its in the MOTD of the channel so there is no confusion) http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...90#post2369290 JFA has there rules posted here: (even though I was under the impression that it wasn't a family channel) http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=214762 If someone got silenced for not following the rules then there really isn't much excuse its listed here on the forums and in the MoTD. Really the rule is to simply RESPECT one another.. how hard is that? I mean isn't that how Adults are supposed to do anyways? What ever took place should have been kept out of channel. What to do on downtime? I dunno.. play the game? If you have issue with someone it should be taken to tells, or in another area, but not in channel. Its counter productive to people who are not in downtime and actually playing. They're plenty of channels on justice were people can talk the way they want currently. Like Heretics for example. Which I believe we are both apart of. I could be wrong. I know of other channels that do this too but I can't post them here.. but they ARE alternatives already. From the chat logs that were taken from last night it seems that there was someone (not allowed to give names per forum rules) that was attacking another person, and then others got involved. This does NOT seem very ADULT to me.. it in actuality sounds pretty childesh. And is against the channel rules and I believe harassing someone is against the EULA if I remember correctly. EXAMPLE: Why call out someone in channel that you know has you on global ignore? (just one of the senerios that took place) What purpose does that serve? Other than having a desperate need for attention? Is this the ADULT thing you're talking about? Again just sounds pretty childesh to me. I am sure a simple tell or PM to a mod would have stopped this type of thing. But seems like a few people wanted drama. I wasn't online at the time.. but *shrug* good luck to what you're trying to do. If you take issue or were silenced and want to talk more about it then feel free to PM me. If you were silenced in JFA I am sure any mod there wouldn't mine talking to you in PM's either. Note* there is a thread a few rows down that talks about what to do when harrassed. If we are all adults here then that shouldn't happen. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=229215 I am not trying to flame anyone here, but if you want to start up a third channel then good luck with that. I am not trying to stop you from doing so, but just trying to understand the Adult stuff that you speak is all. Once again I am merely talking from a JU perspective. Anyone that takes issue with this feel free to PM me on these forums. Mermie he was merely lumping both in the same catagory since both have the same rule about keeping things in tells and to respect one another, while keeping drama out of channel. I understand what he meant I don't think it was literal. But you are correct JFA is not advertised as a Family Channel. (I mentioned that above before reading your response) |
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You want "Elite" you got me..
Minos can tell you by "Elite"
I am in his channel...
Don't segregated the Adults..
I am beyond Awesome...
You can ban me or silence me, but I assure you, those who PM me, are angered, I do NOT respond to that unless powers do not tell me do so...
Listen to your people...
All I ask is an "Adult Night" that hard? Really?
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Originally Posted by Chrome_Family
How hard is it to respect one another? If people are calling each other out.. the channels are there to provide a service to people who are looking for teams, events etc (this is hard to do when drama is there attacking people).. I mean if one wants to curse, talk about porn, be "Adult" etc then they're plenty of alternatives.
Just note that they're a number of other channels, SG channels, Private channels that you could join to do this thing or Vent, Team Speak, etc. But from a JU perspective the channel has its rules posted here: (Also its in the MOTD of the channel so there is no confusion) http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...90#post2369290 JFA has there rules posted here: (even though I was under the impression that it wasn't a family channel) http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=214762 If someone got silenced for not following the rules then there really isn't much excuse its listed here on the forums and in the MoTD. Really the rule is to simply RESPECT one another.. how hard is that? I mean isn't that how Adults are supposed to do anyways? What ever took place should have been kept out of channel. What to do on downtime? I dunno.. play the game? If you have issue with someone it should be taken to tells, or in another area, but not in channel. Its counter productive to people who are not in downtime and actually playing. They're plenty of channels on justice were people can talk the way they want currently. Like Heretics for example. Which I believe we are both apart of. I could be wrong. I know of other channels that do this too but I can't post them here.. but they ARE alternatives already. From the chat logs that were taken from last night it seems that there was someone (not allowed to give names per forum rules) that was attacking another person, and then others got involved. This does NOT seem very ADULT to me.. it in actuality sounds pretty childesh, is against the channel rules and I believe harassing someone in general is against the EULA if I remember correctly. Here is an example of what took place last night EXAMPLE: Why call out someone in channel that you know has you on global ignore? (just one of the senerios that took place) What purpose does that serve? Other than having a desperate need for attention? Everyone see's them attacking that person in channel EXCEPT the person being attacked? Is this the ADULT thing you're talking about? Again just sounds pretty childesh to me. I still have no idea what purpose that served.. If you take issue or were silenced and want to talk more about it then feel free to PM me. If you were silenced in JFA I am sure any mod there wouldn't mine talking to you in PM's either. Note* there is a thread a few rows down that talks about what to do when harrassed. If we are all adults here then that shouldn't happen. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=229215 I dunno I mean you joined these channels because they have a healthy active player base in them right? The main rule enforced is to respect one another. Its really not that hard to do. I don't believe ANY global channel is responsible for killing the game. Again you have alternatives. Just to clarify I am not trying to flame anyone here, but if you want to start up a third channel then good luck with that. I am not trying to stop you from doing so, but just trying to understand the Adult stuff that you speak is all, since a lot of the adult stuff in the chat logs were not very adult at all and simply more or less childesh acts. Once again I am merely talking from a JU perspective. In any event I am sure/positive that a simple tell or PM to a mod would have stopped this type of thing. But seems like a few people wanted drama. I wasn't online at the time, but if anyone has issue with how something was handled feel free to PM me about it. Anyone that takes issue with anything I have said here feel free to PM me on these forums. Mermie he was merely lumping both in the same catagory since both have the same rule about keeping things in tells and to respect one another, while keeping drama out of channel. I understand what he meant I don't think it was literal. But you are correct JFA is not advertised as a Family Channel. (I mentioned that above before reading your response) |
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Minos can tell you by "Elite" I am in his channel... |
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Oh you mean the one I also Mod?
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I am just not understanding the issue.
Adult related topics (cursing, sexual innuendo, current affairs etc) are allowed in JFA. (as Merm pointed out it is not a family channel)
JU is a family channel so it's kept cleaner.
Both channels are good channels and both fill a need IMO. Both have posted rules that disallow players being abusive to other players.
I am confused do you have a different definition of Adult Time?
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If you haven't joined a global channel, you're not really looking for team.
If you don't like the rules of the existing global channels, there's nothing stopping you from creating your own.
Being late in your time zone doesn't mean that kids won't be on from other time zones. Family channels should remain family channels since players can come from anywhere in the world.
Wow, and yet again another forum thread is created regarding rules that have been WELL POSTED about Justice's global channels, and people's ideas that they don't have to follow or should be above the rules.
Daemonic Visions, no Chrome was not there, but he's seen some of the chat logs, and if it makes you happier I'll be happy to send him all of them.
Also, this problem occured because of a couple things. Attacks in the channel, topics that aren't allowed in the channel and in some cases offensive, and people striking back out at the mods when we stepped in to do something about it.
I can't even count the number of times me and at least 3 other mods requested that topics change, and people calm down. During the time that we requested that, people either A: kept continuing said conversations or B: started striking back at us telling us we were "power tripping" and such.
Also, to answer something I was asked last night, DO NOT get silenced and then immediately ask another mod to overrule the mod that silenced you so you can get unsilenced. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. This applies to both JU and JFA.
I do have to say that I'm sorry that silencings had to be used the way they were last night, but from the topics of conversations, the way you guys were talking to each other, and then the way some of you were talking to the mods (very disrepectful), what other options did you leave us?
Play by the rules, and everyone is happy.
If you guys want a late night/adult themed channel, feel free to create one. Or maybe Candle wants to use Heretics. Either way....I'm curious to see how many people would REALLY want to watch/participate in that kind of a channel.
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then the way some of you were talking to the mods (very disrepectful)
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Mods aren't on pedestals and yet at the same time, cannot allow actions against themselves that are prohibited against non-mods.
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If you haven't joined a global channel, you're not really looking for team.
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My primary point was that certain peoples reactions was to last out against us, when all we were trying to do was keep the peace. No, we aren't on pedestals. I don't WANT to be on a pedestal. I was just doing my job, I don't need or want that kind of treatment.|
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For the record, this is the only thing said in the post that I think needs clarification. No greater degree of respect given to the mods than given to the non-mods.
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To be clear, Candle is referring to a channel called "Heretics of Justice", not "Heretics". There is already one channel with that shortened name and should not be confused with Candle's.
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Please Sir, I Don't want to be in public channels then, Invite me to the "Private Ones" instead...
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If it's with JfA, then take it up with a JfA mod. Try to employ reason and logic in your arguments, 'cause ultimately JfA mods aren't likely to make a knee-jerk policy change.
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If you haven't joined a global channel, you're not really looking for team.
While I'll admit that I didn't see what happened last night, I don't understand how harassing and verbally assaulting someone is considered "adult" behavior. JFA has always been flexible with allowed topics and language, and that has not changed. The guidelines posted a few months ago are how we had (or should have been) modding all along. We just posted them so that there was no confusion about what is expected of you as a member of the channel.
All player-created content, even private channels, are subject to the EULA and player Code of Conduct. If you want a channel where you can harrass and verbally assault people, the by all means create it. Just don't be surprised if it's not too popular, or if there are reprecussions.
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Well I was there last night and this is how I saw things go down:
[Preemptive mod edit]
So, yeah, that's pretty much how I feel.
I was there last night and read all the Global chat... due to an awesome sauce plus 4 itf = ) While i don't understand why the first person who was silenced really didn't do anything... The person who was not being "family oriented" still wasn't silenced through out the whole ordeal.. All I am saying is if you want it to be a fair channel then make sure everyone is treated the same no matter how the mod's feel about certain people.. Either way... last nights chat was the best ive seen in two years.. That is what makes Justice server... Justice.. We fight.. We cry... We hug... And eventually we always just blame Kil = )
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Originally Posted by ArwenDarkblade
While I'll admit that I didn't see what happened last night, I don't understand how harassing and verbally assaulting someone is considered "adult" behavior. JFA has always been flexible with allowed topics and language, and that has not changed. The guidelines posted a few months ago are how we had (or should have been) modding all along. We just posted them so that there was no confusion about what is expected of you as a member of the channel.
All player-created content, even private channels, are subject to the EULA and player Code of Conduct. If you want a channel where you can harrass and verbally assault people, the by all means create it. Just don't be surprised if it's not too popular, or if there are reprecussions. |
What people got pissed off about was when people got silenced for the general off-topic justice chat.
::edit:: I was not aware JFA had more lax rules. In that case, we don't really need a third channel, we just need to use JFA more for these conversations.
I am sorry for the Family channels that I help corrupt last night...
I do ask of this, Late Time Hours, can the Adults come out and play?
Justice needs an Adult Time channel, or least one that's acceptable during a certain time when all is quiet...
I know this is a T Rated game, but I am growing tired of the bigotry that is of these channels that I view on here, enough is enough, good people are being subject to tyranny and misunderstanding of the multiviews of others...
When can we just "shoot the <@#$&%>" and be Adults and not have to make others be subject to conservative bigotry?
It's ok to talk about bewbs and penguins, but when we're Justice and we just talk random thoughts, we're silenced and segregated?
It's one thing to be offended and do nothing, but to use your power without responsibility, is a power you must not have, your only harming the greater wrong of the right than you are making the example...
Just think of those that see the actions of what you do, think of poor Schooner and the others that thought Justice had 3 great active spoken channels...
You set Rules, I understand, you all want to control the masses, you want "Order Within Chaos", but when none are "Playing The Game", why is the downtime of what people do considered wrong?
No Politic or Religion was involved? was it? just simple people sprouting out words to keep them in game till something came up for them to take part of...
I want no fights, I am a Passionate Man, but don't kill off the life that is Justice, your pretty much killing the game that most wish to play by doing so...
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