I think you have a reasonable point, and what do we do with the Rain of Arrows and Dual Pistol nukes with no endurance crash. My storm defender is making hay with the dual pistols nuke on a short recharge, living in the melee range.
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hopefully start getting defenders to play like defenders instead of defebcers.
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Originally Posted by Psylenz
what do we do with the Rain of Arrows and Dual Pistol nukes with no endurance crash.
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
tl;dr - Defender (and Corruptor) true nukes should be made numerically equal.
I have a Kin/Elec/Power defender. PBU + Fulcrum + Short Circuit + Thunderous + Transference is great fun and respectably potent. I have an Emp/Ice/Dark defender. Soul Drain + Ice Storm + Blizzard + Dark Consumption is great fun and mind blowing blaster devastation. Having played Ice Blast for a bit now, I believe it is totally reasonable to either increase the damage of all the true nukes to Blaster level or the rain powers should be made to respect the AT mods. I am not against defenders and corruptors having the same type of nuking power as blasters, but I do not like that some do and some do not. Either defender Blizzard is just plain wrong (probably) and needs to be reduced or defender Nova needs to be given the same punch. |
Also my latest character, a FF/AR defender has had great fun with Full Auto tearing up spawns, especially coupled with repulsion bomb and flamethrower.
If it was down to me all Defender nukes would operate more like Rain of Arrows and Full Auto.
Wasn't aware that Blizzard did blaster damage.
This also raises a biger question about pseubo pets. Paragon Studios really needs to get their act together with them. Not only does ignite have blaster damage, but some corrupter skills have defender level buffs and debuffs. These need to be fixed and not routinely overlooked.
I could have swore there was an unspoken arrangement where we don't ask Castle to look at defender secondaries and in exchange he doesn't "fix" them.
Defenders tend to attack with rubber bullets, but it's nice that there are a few hollow tips in there; if we use the few sets with hollow tips as a reason to request full metal jackets for the other sets it's more likely that he'll take all of our guns and give us Nerf.
On the other hand, fruit salad and Nerf sounds like a fun way to spend a Saturday.
If there ever is a defender version of Blizzard made, with lower damage to match the AT, as long as it has better debuffs also to match the AT, I can live with it.
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I avoid the Nuke on my defender simply because it is NOT like Rain of Arrows or Full Auto.
My preference would be for all the Defender versions be converted over to "crashless".
The lower damage is not an issue in that circumstance, so you essentially would be giving all defenders the same level of performance that only a few sets currently enjoy.
The reason I would prefer them be crashless rather than "Full" strength, is that it would not be something Blasters could point to as a "balance" concern, and secondly, Defenders have a specific "duty" on teams and having a "low-level" nuke which ALSO drains your endurance accomplishes nothing really. It doesnt END the battle, and in all but a few powerset combinations, it will END your contribution to the battle from that point on.
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Originally Posted by m3lon
I could have swore there was an unspoken arrangement where we don't ask Castle to look at defender secondaries and in exchange he doesn't "fix" them.
Defenders tend to attack with rubber bullets, but it's nice that there are a few hollow tips in there; if we use the few sets with hollow tips as a reason to request full metal jackets for the other sets it's more likely that he'll take all of our guns and give us Nerf. On the other hand, fruit salad and Nerf sounds like a fun way to spend a Saturday. |
We are definitely better at AoE then Single Target though, atleast my /AR is. I can wipe out minions and lieu's in a single onslaught, but then spend 3 times as long taking down a siingle boss. Well, especially if its a Malta Titan
*Fortunta waltzes in, laughs at the Defenders with their 6 year old concept of Nukes-with-a-crash and waves her crashless Psionic Wail at them all*
There's very little reason I can see not to make all Defender nukes crashless.
Other than the Blasters & Corrupters would probably complain. Even softening the Crash to an EMP type one (no crash, just a period of No Recovery) would make sense.
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Agreed. Crashless with less damage is perfect for defenders since the blasters actually wipe out most of the mob. Balance is the "key". |
Originally Posted by Biospark
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I avoid the Nuke on my defender simply because it is NOT like Rain of Arrows or Full Auto. My preference would be for all the Defender versions be converted over to "crashless". The lower damage is not an issue in that circumstance, so you essentially would be giving all defenders the same level of performance that only a few sets currently enjoy. The reason I would prefer them be crashless rather than "Full" strength, is that it would not be something Blasters could point to as a "balance" concern, and secondly, Defenders have a specific "duty" on teams and having a "low-level" nuke which ALSO drains your endurance accomplishes nothing really. It doesnt END the battle, and in all but a few powerset combinations, it will END your contribution to the battle from that point on. |
Now time to make an Ice def for me and Ice blaster for wife and go to work.
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Make two Emp/Ice blasters instead. |
Originally Posted by eryq2
Agreed. Crashless with less damage is perfect for defenders since the blasters actually wipe out most of the mob. Balance is the "key".
Now time to make an Ice def for me and Ice blaster for wife and go to work. |
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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Never played emp, it doesnt look like my cup of tea. No clue what the set is about. I just thought it was like a healing set. I can't play healorz. |
Originally Posted by StratoNexus
Make two Emp/Ice blasters instead.
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It's a buff set with some heals. AB + one recovery aura = "crashless" nuke of any flavor.
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Originally Posted by eryq2
Never played emp, it doesnt look like my cup of tea. No clue what the set is about. I just thought it was like a healing set. I can't play healorz.
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50s: Bla- Arch/Mental Cont- Mind/FF, Earth/Cold, Ill/Therm, Earth/Rad Dominator- Plant/Psi, Elec/Earth Corr- Fire/Storm, Arch/Sonic, Rad/Kin, Beam/Sonic, Psi/Time Stalker- Elec/SR Def- Storm/Dark, Emp/Psi, Dark/Elec, FF/Arch, TA/Ice, TA/Elec, Kin/AR, Cold/DP, Traps/Psi Scrap- Fire/Shield Tanker- Dark/Mace, Ice/Kin Brute- Claws/WP, SS/Energy, BS/Elec
So, maybe 2 Emp/Archery since RoA is up more often? Or 2 Kin/Arch for the FS? Hmmm. lol.
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Sadly, the vast majority of Emp/TA characters I've seen have been LOLhealorz, and it makes me cry. If I found someone playing this combo that actively used their blasts, I would be one happy co-defender.
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Originally Posted by eryq2
So, maybe 2 Emp/Archery since RoA is up more often? Or 2 Kin/Arch for the FS? Hmmm. lol.
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tl;dr - Defender (and Corruptor) true nukes should be made numerically equal.
I have a Kin/Elec/Power defender. PBU + Fulcrum + Short Circuit + Thunderous + Transference is great fun and respectably potent.
I have an Emp/Ice/Dark defender. Soul Drain + Ice Storm + Blizzard + Dark Consumption is great fun and mind blowing blaster devastation.
Having played Ice Blast for a bit now, I believe it is totally reasonable to either increase the damage of all the true nukes to Blaster level or the rain powers should be made to respect the AT mods.
I am not against defenders and corruptors having the same type of nuking power as blasters, but I do not like that some do and some do not.
Either defender Blizzard is just plain wrong (probably) and needs to be reduced or defender Nova needs to be given the same punch.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.