The general consensus in these parts is a gadgetty based control set would be very welcome.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
The general consensus in these parts is a gadgetty based control set would be very welcome.
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While folks want a gadget-based control set, this set seems kind of ho-hum. Nothing special about it other than the animations.|
Originally Posted by Mod_Noc
I placed this idea in the Dominator section and I decided to repost the idea here since it deals with controllers too.
What do you think of this set and would you play it? Controller/Dominator - Riot Control (All shot from a Rifle)
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First, I would change Tear Gas into the single target hold, and go ahead and use Web Grenade as the single target immob, but it needs damage.
Sleep and Smoke? One of those should be something else, because both of those would be kind of skippable as two of the final 3 powers in the set. It just needs . . . something.
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I'd play it because it was a control set but conceptually I'd rather break new ground. It's sort of the same way I feel about us getting Electric Control. Yay, new power set. But I'd hyperventilate for something completely new, like Water, Insect, Chaos, Time, Moleculure, or Magnetic Control.
EDIT Just to gush: For example, I'd like to see what a set that was a half a step between Illusion and Ice Control would look like. Low to moderate damage, somewhat PBAoE based, with a combo of pets (but fewer than Illusion) and debuffs (but somewhat less than Ice). Water Control could actually be built somewhat to that route, and might even conceptually work with -Damage as the secondary effect.
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With Entangling Arrow from TA that is a single targeting Immob, I dont think they should have a second single immob.
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Originally Posted by Local_Man
While folks want a gadget-based control set, this set seems kind of ho-hum. Nothing special about it other than the animations.
First, I would change Tear Gas into the single target hold, and go ahead and use Web Grenade as the single target immob, but it needs damage. Sleep and Smoke? One of those should be something else, because both of those would be kind of skippable as two of the final 3 powers in the set. It just needs . . . something. |
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Ooooh ! Water Control would be very cool. But can you imagine the animation nightmare that would be, judging by the comments we have heard regarding "whips".
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
EDIT Just to gush: For example, I'd like to see what a set that was a half a step between Illusion and Ice Control would look like. Low to moderate damage, somewhat PBAoE based, with a combo of pets (but fewer than Illusion) and debuffs (but somewhat less than Ice). Water Control could actually be built somewhat to that route, and might even conceptually work with -Damage as the secondary effect. |
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What would you play it with, ie what secondary? Force Fields maybe? Traps if/when it proliferates to Controllers is an obvious choice.
Beyond that you're getting into dual-concept characters (which is fine) eg Riot/Kinetics as a superfast cop, but doesn't a police dog become redundant at that point?
I've already got a Traps/AR Corrupter and an Arachnos Soldier who cover the super-police/Judge Dredd style character (and a DP/Devices blaster sitting around who could do the same thing)
Conceptually all use some kind of non-lethal hi-tech tasing rounds/rubber bullets to arrest their targets, along with the gas grenades and tasers and other gimmicks that come with the sets (and Temp power Stun Grenades!). So 'Riot Control' is already quite possible using other ATs.
Using a gun primarily for a low-damage control set seems kind of counter-intuitive to me.
So yeah, nothing concept-wise grabs me with this set, and nothing in the mechanics you've outlined seems really new.
[EDIT] Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Riot Control is a bad idea. I just wouldn't play it myself in a hurry.
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Originally Posted by Aumakua
A primary that can be played as a Natural for controllers = RP win.
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HEATSINK :: FASTHAND :: POWERCELL :: RUNESTAFF
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Hmm . . . Earth/TA, Ice/TA, Fire/TA, Plant/TA and Grav/TA all have two single target Immobs . . . and I seriously doubt two single target immobs is overpowered.
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Originally Posted by Mod_Noc
With Entangling Arrow from TA that is a single targeting Immob, I dont think they should have a second single immob.
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How about making Tear Gas a Hold and Replace Cryo Freeze Ray with a Web Grenade (Single Target)? I just believe a control set needs a targeted AoE Immob.
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Originally Posted by Local_Man
Hmm . . . Earth/TA, Ice/TA, Fire/TA, Plant/TA and Grav/TA all have two single target Immobs . . . and I seriously doubt two single target immobs is overpowered.
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Uh . . . isn't that exactly what I said? Maybe I could have made it a bit clearer, but that was my intention. Tear Gas does not seem to fit as an Immobilize to me. It can be a hold. |
Originally Posted by Mod_Noc
How about Making Tear Gas a Hold, Replace Cryo Freeze Ray with a Web Grenade (Single Target)?
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However, now that I think about it, I'd rather see something that wraps up a single target, like one of those nets that they shoot from a gun.
Still, before this could be a decent set, it needs something other than a Sleep and an AoE -Perception as the 6th and 7th powers.
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How about shooting a Bola type grenade instead of a webnade?|
Originally Posted by Local_Man
Uh . . . isn't that exactly what I said? Maybe I could have made it a bit clearer, but that was my intention. Tear Gas does not seem to fit as an Immobilize to me. It can be a hold.
However, now that I think about it, I'd rather see something that wraps up a single target, like one of those nets that they shoot from a gun. Still, before this could be a decent set, it needs something other than a Sleep and an AoE -Perception as the 6th and 7th powers. |
Changed the order and types of some of the powers.
Controller/Dominator - Riot Control (All shot from a Rifle)
1. Bola Grenade Ranged (Single Target), Foe Immobilize
2. Tear Gas Ranged (Single Target), Foe Hold
3. Wide Area Web Grenade Ranged (Targeted AoE), Foe Immobilize
5. Sleep Grenade - Ranged (Targeted AoE), Sleep
4. Smoke Grenade - Ranged (Targeted AoE), Foe -Perception, -To-Hit
6. Flash Bang- (PBAoE), Foe Stun
7. Pepper Spray - Ranged (Targeted AoE), Choke (Hold)
8. Riot Foam Ranged (Location AoE), -Fly, -Jump, -SPD
9. Summon Robot Summon Backup Robot
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First, why all shot from a riffle? The grenade animation is nice! Could put 2 powers shot from a riffle though, the long recharge ones.|
Originally Posted by Mod_Noc
Controller/Dominator - Riot Control (All shot from a Rifle)
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But that set lacks something unique. First, Pepper spray being target AoE makes no sense, it'd be a short ranged cone, why not put a Laughing Gas as AoE control? It can be either a stun or a confuse. Or some puke gas, It'd be nice to see all your enemies pucking while you kick their faces.
Sleep and Smoke, as it was said, are completely skipable, they could be merged into the same power as well. Sleep GRenade: Ranged AoE Sleep with -perception and -to-hit, with a highter recharge.
Plants have a healing tree, Illu is completely unique, grav has wormhole, that opens room for a new unique power here as well. What about "Riot Shild Support"? You summon three police officers with Riot shield in front of you, they are immobile and has an wide PBAoE taunt aura. They don't fight back but as long their last, all attacks as drawn to them. (It's like an immobile, phantom army with no damage to make up for the damage on the rest of the set.) These guys could even have a cone shield bash to knockback people away from them, avoiding the enemies to walk around and hit on their back.
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Originally Posted by Panikaze
First, why all shot from a riffle? The grenade animation is nice! Could put 2 powers shot from a riffle though, the long recharge ones.
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I think shooting a grenade Launcher would fit the set.
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| But that set lacks something unique. First, Pepper spray being target AoE makes no sense, it'd be a short ranged cone, why not put a Laughing Gas as AoE control? It can be either a stun or a confuse. Or some puke gas, It'd be nice to see all your enemies pucking while you kick their faces. |
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| Sleep and Smoke, as it was said, are completely skipable, they could be merged into the same power as well. Sleep GRenade: Ranged AoE Sleep with -perception and -to-hit, with a highter recharge. |
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| Plants have a healing tree, Illu is completely unique, grav has wormhole, that opens room for a new unique power here as well. What about "Riot Shild Support"? You summon three police officers with Riot shield in front of you, they are immobile and has an wide PBAoE taunt aura. They don't fight back but as long their last, all attacks as drawn to them. (It's like an immobile, phantom army with no damage to make up for the damage on the rest of the set.) These guys could even have a cone shield bash to knockback people away from them, avoiding the enemies to walk around and hit on their back. |
I placed this idea in the Dominator section and I decided to repost the idea here since it deals with controllers too.
What do you think of this set and would you play it?
Controller/Dominator - Riot Control (All shot from a Rifle)