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These where taken today/right now
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Originally Posted by McBoo
What day was this?
What time of day was it? What other things were going on outside of the game that could explain the lower numbers? *cough*World Cup*cough* Are you basing your numbers on a sample from a single day or a group of samples over a period of 3 or 4 months that supports a downward trend? > |
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Except that's not proof. That's a random sampling during the worst possible time you could run it.|
Originally Posted by Blpup
People wanted proof of some sort so i gave it to them
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And to answer why the suggestion forums is in "For Fun," it's because of srs bsns people like you who imagine that their suggestions are handed down from the mouth of God.
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Ok then you take a picture of the people online and post them when the time is good cause i don't know it but apparently you do.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
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And i never said my words where handed from god was just a suggestion
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I am welcome to any helpful suggestions to help population increase but what you are doing sir is flaming.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
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Useless data is useless. Not only are some of the lists truncated, you give us no mention of what times these were taken, both in terms of the day and the calendar.
Also, you have two points of 'proof':
1) Level 50s don't stand around in Atlas any more.
2) Can't find teams easily in the Hollows.
To counter point 1:
There is more for level 50s to do now, not only at level 50, but also in Ouroborus at any level, and the fact that exemped level 50s retain more of their powers, so they're more useful at lower levels. Add to that the desire to get merits for IO rolls, and more of them are likely on Task Forces.
Also, before IOs, there was VERY little to do with your influence on your 50s other than give it to lowbies. As such, costume contests were much more frequent, since it was a good way to give a useless currency to somebody that could find it useful.
To counter point 2:
The Hollows were seen for a long time as the only place to go for the level 5-15 level range. Now, with radio missions, the ninja pack making low-level travel easier, and the fact that the Hollows just got old to many people, you don't find as many people there. Also, while much of this game is instanced, a lot of the missions in the Hollows were not, which led to more people in the zone being out for you to see. In other zones, there are less hunt missions (usually), so more people are "indoors."
Spread out population + more of the population indoors = worse chance of finding a team by broadcasting.
Again, NOBODY is here saying that they shouldn't advertise more. However, basing that desire off of shaky facts and opinions doesn't make your point stronger. It makes it weaker.
IF you had come here and just said that you think that NCSoft should advertise the game more, you'd have likely gotten no challenge to that. But basing it off of population, which you have no idea of, or the player's desire to stay or join the game, means that you then have to defend that assumption, which you can't do.
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GR will increase game population, especially in the sense that people will be in the same area for a while, trying to do the same content.
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Originally Posted by Blpup
I am welcome to any helpful suggestions to help population increase but what you are doing sir is flaming.
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Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
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You would be better served to check the numbers during a more classically busy time for every day over the next quarter to verify if there really is a downward trend or if it's just one man's perspective. You also might take into consideration that Freedom will always have a larger population because of the fact that it was the original test server from when CoH was in beta therefore a large percentage of the veterans will be playing primarily on that server. The numbers that you have presented thus far even support the idea that Freedom would probably be a better choice for sampling.|
Originally Posted by Blpup
These where taken today/right now
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Also bear in mind that CoV has had an effect on the blue side population as folks will be playing red side, which is still viable population for the game.
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Very well, helpful suggestions:|
Originally Posted by Blpup
I am welcome to any helpful suggestions to help population increase but what you are doing sir is flaming.
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Prove that population is declining. This would require months of study, with samples taken at varying time in the day.
Revisit your assumption that population is declining when you find you cannot prove said assumption.
Prove that advertising will bring in more population. Do a study or some analysis and try to prove that advertising is a more cost effective way of bringing in population than spending resources on a new boxed expansion that will be advertised by game stores.
This one's a suggestion just for you, so that you'll be taken more seriously: Get an education. Use proper punctuation and grammar. Spell correctly. Don't come in here with an attitude that you are right and everyone who questions your opinion and assumptions are wrong.
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To counter counter point 1?: I know theres more for 50s to do since the past days of CoX|
Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Useless data is useless. Not only are some of the lists truncated, you give us no mention of what times these were taken, both in terms of the day and the calendar.
Also, you have two points of 'proof': 1) Level 50s don't stand around in Atlas any more. 2) Can't find teams easily in the Hollows. To counter point 1: There is more for level 50s to do now, not only at level 50, but also in Ouroborus at any level, and the fact that exemped level 50s retain more of their powers, so they're more useful at lower levels. Add to that the desire to get merits for IO rolls, and more of them are likely on Task Forces. Also, before IOs, there was VERY little to do with your influence on your 50s other than give it to lowbies. As such, costume contests were much more frequent, since it was a good way to give a useless currency to somebody that could find it useful. To counter point 2: The Hollows were seen for a long time as the only place to go for the level 5-15 level range. Now, with radio missions, the ninja pack making low-level travel easier, and the fact that the Hollows just got old to many people, you don't find as many people there. Also, while much of this game is instanced, a lot of the missions in the Hollows were not, which led to more people in the zone being out for you to see. In other zones, there are less hunt missions (usually), so more people are "indoors." Spread out population + more of the population indoors = worse chance of finding a team by broadcasting. Again, NOBODY is here saying that they shouldn't advertise more. However, basing that desire off of shaky facts and opinions doesn't make your point stronger. It makes it weaker. IF you had come here and just said that you think that NCSoft should advertise the game more, you'd have likely gotten no challenge to that. But basing it off of population, which you have no idea of, or the player's desire to stay or join the game, means that you then have to defend that assumption, which you can't do. |
but even after ouro and such there were still 50s lingering atlas
To counter counter point 2?: Hollows was a scenario of 1 zone
And i didnt know 1 word could change the fate of this thread want me to edit?
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Will do, I will take screenies each week to compare
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Originally Posted by McBoo
You would be better served to check the numbers during a more classically busy time for every day over the next quarter to verify if there really is a downward trend or if it's just one man's perspective. You also might take into consideration that Freedom will always have a larger population because of the fact that it was the original test server from when CoH was in beta therefore a large percentage of the veterans will be playing primarily on that server. The numbers that you have presented thus far even support the idea that Freedom would probably be a better choice for sampling.
Also bear in mind that CoV has had an effect on the population as folks will be playing red side, which is still viable population for the game. > |
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No, you didn't. You gave a "This is a random bunch of numbers that don't really mean much." You don't see people that are hidden. You don't see people on the other side. You're doing it at a lousy time of day to begin with (really? Tuesday, noon EST?) |
Originally Posted by Blpup
People wanted proof of some sort so i gave it to them
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Take a sampling every half hour, or every hour, or some reasonable frequency (which is not "once or twice a day") of unique globals on every server for the next month and you'll have a leg to stand on. This? This is as useless as me saying "Port Oakes is completely empty because I didn't see anyone around the sub when I came out of the mayhem mission I just (literally) finished."
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Well in my play time studies without taking screenshots it would seem things are tougher even for new players who just join and looking for a team but cant find any on less populated servers.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Very well, helpful suggestions:
Prove that population is declining. This would require months of study, with samples taken at varying time in the day. Revisit your assumption that population is declining when you find you cannot prove said assumption. Prove that advertising will bring in more population. Do a study or some analysis and try to prove that advertising is a more cost effective way of bringing in population than spending resources on a new boxed expansion that will be advertised by game stores. This one's a suggestion just for you, so that you'll be taken more seriously: Get an education. Use proper punctuation and grammar. Spell correctly. Don't come in here with an attitude that you are right and everyone who questions your opinion and assumptions are wrong. |
Well how did people know a new GFX card came out? They advertised it and people knew. They didnt let it sit in stores and wait to see if people buy it.
Actually the BEST Sapling method would be to take multiple samples each day at the same times for about 6 weeks running.
Try one in the morning, one just after noon, one during Primetime, and one after primetime. For every server, every day.
Unfortunately if you do that over the course of six weeks you'll actually only see the slightest amount of change (if any) since the game is billed once every four weeks. So I suppose it'd take months... Perhaps a 90day scheme? Or 180days?
One would not be remiss to suggest that samples be taken every day for a solid year...
-Rachel-
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When you do, please take them at various times of day and week, to get an accurate picture. Also keep in mind conflating variables when you do get your counts.
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Originally Posted by Blpup
Will do, I will take screenies each week to compare
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GR is already 1/2 out. I hope the 2nd 1/2 will boost the population cause GR will be da ¿poo?
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
GR will increase game population, especially in the sense that people will be in the same area for a while, trying to do the same content.
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Wait, you think 2 powersets is half of Going Rogue?|
Originally Posted by Blpup
GR is already 1/2 out. I hope the 2nd 1/2 will boost the population cause GR will be da ¿poo?
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We have seen none of it's zones, none of its content, none of the Praetorian AV revamp, the side switching capabilities, two more powersets, costume pieces, emotes and entire list of unmentioned stuff.
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One would hazard a guess that NCSoft is already doing this and making decisions about things like advertising, new patches, expansions, possibly an engine upgrade, etc. based on what they find.|
Originally Posted by Steampunkette
One would not be remiss to suggest that samples be taken every day for a solid year...
-Rachel- |
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lol @ GM_Lloyd's search comment.
Best way to show d000m is by grabbing numbers from this thread.
Advertising and marketing suggestions probably best viewed here.
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I hope NCSoft is doing this. And instead of Screenies which would take some time each day. I will make a graph chart
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Originally Posted by McBoo
One would hazard a guess that NCSoft is already doing this and making decisions about things like advertising, new patches, expansions, possibly an engine upgrade, etc. based on what they find.
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GR is not "half out." People that prepurchased have two of the powersets coming out. They do not have that first incarnate slot, they cannot start praetorians, they cannot run any praetorian content, they cannot switch sides, etc, etc, etc. |
Originally Posted by Blpup
GR is already 1/2 out. I hope the 2nd 1/2 will boost the population cause GR will be da ¿poo?
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GR is maybe - *maybe* - "5% out. " And that only for prepurchasers.
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I think he means the 2 powersets and Ultra Mode, which admittedly was likely a huge amount of work...|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Wait, you think 2 powersets is half of Going Rogue?
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Doesn't cover the zones, new maps, new enemies, two new powersets, new missions from 1-50, incarnate level, new starting zone, new systems for character transfer, new costume pieces, new emotes...
-Rachel-
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Even then, you can't necessarily confirm population increases or declines unless you are comparing them year over year. For example, holidays like the winter break and when school summer vacation cannot be compared unless you are trending over multiple years.
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Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Actually the BEST Sapling method would be to take multiple samples each day at the same times for about 6 weeks running.
Try one in the morning, one just after noon, one during Primetime, and one after primetime. For every server, every day. Unfortunately if you do that over the course of six weeks you'll actually only see the slightest amount of change (if any) since the game is billed once every four weeks. So I suppose it'd take months... Perhaps a 90day scheme? Or 180days? One would not be remiss to suggest that samples be taken every day for a solid year... -Rachel- |
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Yeah i made sure i highlighted him |
Originally Posted by PumBumbler
lol @ GM_Lloyd's search comment. Best way to show d000m is by grabbing numbers from this thread. Advertising and marketing suggestions probably best viewed here. |
and I lul'd @ the "Best way to show d00m" dunno why i just did xD
And thanks for that Ad/Marketing link
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5%? *makes room on PC*
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
GR is not "half out." People that prepurchased have two of the powersets coming out. They do not have that first incarnate slot, they cannot start praetorians, they cannot run any praetorian content, they cannot switch sides, etc, etc, etc.
GR is maybe - *maybe* - "5% out. " And that only for prepurchasers. |
Added up all those servers = 1.5k+ players online/not hidden/non spike times
Which is a decent number for 11 servers like 100+ pop per server basicly. teams are of 8. So thats like 12 full man teams per server divied by 2 due to heroes and villains. so thats 6 teams per side. Awesome numbers right?
EDIT: Oh and -1 per side cause i only play on 1 server
What time of day was it?
What other things were going on outside of the game that could explain the lower numbers? *cough*World Cup*cough*
Are you basing your numbers on a sample from a single day or a group of samples over a period of 3 or 4 months that supports a downward trend?
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"I am a Tank. I am your first choice, I am your last hope." -- Rune Bull
"Durability is the quintessential super-power. " -- Sailboat