Purple Procs

While I'll be using these on a defender with epic pools, I figured this would be a better place to ask about the effects of the procs. I particular, I'm wondering about the sleep/placate and confuse/contagious confusion procs.

For the placate, it seems not incredibly useful since it's in a sleep - if it works, they already aren't attacking you. I can only think of 3 cases where it might be useful, and one of those isn't too impressive.

1. if it's possible for the placate to hit enemies not affected by the sleep. A 33% chance of getting the EB off of my squishie is a good thing.
2. if teamed with a bunch of AE, anything it proced on wouldn't snap back to me when my teammates woke them up. But, my team would need to be doing some crap damage for that not to happen anyway.
3. Maybe use it to split a pull, if only 2/3 would come after me when they woke up - but damn, that's a slow strategy, and doesn't seem particularly useful.

How viable are these (1 and 2), and is there anything strikingly useful that the proc would do?

For the confusion, how does that stack up? If I stuck it in World of Confusion, it would get a chance to fire off every 10 seconds on all targets in range. If the natural confusion of the power hit someone, but the mag wasn't great enough to affect it, could the presence of some contagious minions kick up the mag enough to hit something big?

Does that work? Would it be enough to change that less than great power into something substantial?

Whether the sleep proc is useful depends on the power you put it in. If you're talking Mind Control, slotted up you'll eventually get that AoE sleep power down to about a 12-15 second recharge. It's aggro-free and has a barely there cast time, so there's no reason not to just click it every time it recharges. You'll also frequently be using the sleep as a way to get containment, so stopping stuff from shooting you becomes more important. For other Controllers IMO its much less useful. The Placate is only Mag 2, which I think will not work ok EBs.

Contagious Confusion is gold if it is placed in Deceive, Confuse, or Seeds of Confusion, and double platinum if placed in Arctic Air. In WoC it's alright but nothing special for a Controller. On a low mitigation AT like a Blaster it's far better simply because that AT has fewer options.

The Fortunata Chance for Placate is somewhat useful in Trick Arrow's Poison Gas Arrow. That has a somewhat low chance to sleep combined with a damage debuff. The proc can turn away some foes who may not have been slept, further mitigating damage. I have it on my Illusion/TA, and I have seen a few foes turn away from me on occasion.

The Contagious Confusion proc is wonderful in Deceive and Confuse, and even better in Ice Control's Arctic Air. Everyone I know who has tried World of Confusion has been less than impressed -- they say the only thing it is good for is as a mule for the somewhat inexpensive Purple set.

I think people mostly just misunderstand what WoC is. It's a nice little piece of pbaoe mitigation for squishy characters. Things in melee do get confused pretty regularly, which means that for a few seconds they aren't hitting you, and may be hitting their buddies. It also costs next to nothing to run.

It's a pretty useful power for a blaster/defender/controller who spends a lot of time in melee, but you should think of it as a defensive toggle, not a control power.

We should probably mention that WoC without Contagious Confusion is pretty poor. The Confusion is only Mag 2 and lasts a base 1.5 seconds. The proc is mag 3, 10 seconds. So if you do take WoC you should always take the plan to proc it out.

Otherwise I agree. It's a personal safety power to shed enemies who get too close, not a control one you should be running up to enemies hoping to hit them with. IMO it works best on a Blasters who need to get up very close.

One thing to consider is the Placate proc can cause aggro, where as Mass Hypnosis is usually aggro free.

I know you haven't asked about these specificly but you can also consider adding the Chance of Hold proc from the Immobilise set in your AoE immobilise. It turns it into something that may be worth spamming a bit more often. Not as cheap as the procs from the sleep and confuse sets though.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger Quote: 16. Has Paragon Studios redefined "player" to require your mouse to subscribe separately from your keyboard? If your mouse has greater processing power than your gfx card, the answer is yes.

I am not sure how you have contradicted my post, there.

Isn't the placate proc bugged to be 100% chance? I know it is in pvp, not sure about it in pve