I am fairly new to mids, so these are more like questions rather than suggestions. And since I'm planning the respec of my katana/wp scrapper, I'd be interested in your answers.
(1) It seems inconsistent to shortchange the slots on Quick Recovery and Stamina, but then take Conserve Power. Would it be better to more fully slot Quick Recovery (4 slots) and Stamina (3 slots), so that you don't need Conserve Power?
(2) Your FC defense is only 38% but your EN is 45%. Would it be better to slot Aegis (3% FC) instead of Reactive Armor (1.25% EN) into Tough?
(3) Why don't you slot any full sets of Eradication (which would give 1.56% FC each)?
(4) Is it really worth it to 6-slot Build Up? What would you think of 3-slotting it with Adjusted Targeting (1.26% EN) to free up some slots?
(5) Do you want to slot the Unbounded Leap stealth into Sprint?
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Originally Posted by Void Spirit
I am fairly new to mids, so these are more like questions rather than suggestions. And since I'm planning the respec of my katana/wp scrapper, I'd be interested in your answers.
(1) It seems inconsistent to shortchange the slots on Quick Recovery and Stamina, but then take Conserve Power. Would it be better to more fully slot Quick Recovery (4 slots) and Stamina (3 slots), so that you don't need Conserve Power? (2) Your FC defense is only 38% but your EN is 45%. Would it be better to slot Aegis (3% FC) instead of Reactive Armor (1.25% EN) into Tough? (3) Why don't you slot any full sets of Eradication (which would give 1.56% FC each)? (4) Is it really worth it to 6-slot Build Up? What would you think of 3-slotting it with Adjusted Targeting (1.26% EN) to free up some slots? (5) Do you want to slot the Unbounded Leap stealth into Sprint? |
1. It looks like he has enough recovery to keep on trucking. CP is useful if Strength of will and hasten happen to crash at about the same time, which can knock you down 70 end instantly. It's also useful in those rare times you start to bottom out from carnies, sappers and such. For instance you'd need a ton of recovery if you are hit by mask of vitaration (or w/e it is called), but you hit CP and can keep on fighting through it.
2. EN def is more important if you are going to be fighting Rikti
3. Full sets of Eradication kind of suck for enhancement values
4. Yes, the def bonuses to everything help round out a toon. The hp, recovery, and dam buff are nice too.
5. Yes, it is a free slot that you just flip the power on for a sec and then have 2 min of stealth.
edit: watched the vid (or most of it). That thing is a beast Iggy!
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I can't open the build so I'll answer based on what *I* would do with a Kat/WP (which I'm leveling now actually) |
Originally Posted by Void Spirit
I am fairly new to mids, so these are more like questions rather than suggestions. And since I'm planning the respec of my katana/wp scrapper, I'd be interested in your answers.
(1) It seems inconsistent to shortchange the slots on Quick Recovery and Stamina, but then take Conserve Power. Would it be better to more fully slot Quick Recovery (4 slots) and Stamina (3 slots), so that you don't need Conserve Power? (2) Your FC defense is only 38% but your EN is 45%. Would it be better to slot Aegis (3% FC) instead of Reactive Armor (1.25% EN) into Tough? (3) Why don't you slot any full sets of Eradication (which would give 1.56% FC each)? (4) Is it really worth it to 6-slot Build Up? What would you think of 3-slotting it with Adjusted Targeting (1.26% EN) to free up some slots? (5) Do you want to slot the Unbounded Leap stealth into Sprint? |
1) I'm guessing here, without looking at the build, that Conserve Power was taken as a way to get to Physical Perfection that doesn't need to be slotted. Conserve Power will almost never be needed by a Kat/WP character, so just a single recharge in the default slot is enough. And, since I noticed another question relating to slotting Gaussian's in Build Up, taking Focused Accuracy to slot them in is unnecessary.
2) Again assuming here. If I recall correctly EN defense is the 3 slot bonus for Reactive Armor and the 4 slot bonus is SL defense, which is probably what it is slotted for. Also, Fire and Cold are less common than Energy, so slightly lower defense to it won't really hurt the build any.
3) IF he slotted his PBAoEs like *I* do, it is probably something like 4 Eradication and 2 Scirocco's Dervish. The actual enhancement values of Eradication kinda suck because it tops out at level 30. The 4 slot bonus is useful for a WP, the others...not so much. So the Scirocco's helps round out the enhancement of the power itself, while providing an extra 10% Regen, which is helpful for WP. (The 4 piece and proc of Eradication are also much more expensive than the rest of the set, so he might have been trying to save some money too, but I kind of doubt that one, Iggy's pretty loaded)
4) If you look at what he is getting for the slots he is spending it makes sense. You suggest slotting a set that gives you 1.26% to EN defense. Why do that when you can spend 3 more slots and get 1.25% to ALL types? You get the same amount to EN, AND you get 1.25% to Smashing, Lethal, Fire and Cold as well. You also get (IIRC) a recovery bonus, and a movement speed bonus (which is nice if you don't take a travel power), so everything you get out of the set is useful, not just the defense.
Also, Gaussian's includes the Chance for Build Up proc. *I* try to slot it in Build Up as well, so when it fires you actually USE it. Putting it in a toggle doesn't make much sense to me, since you will rarely ever get any benefit from it (I found my proc was mostly going off while I was standing at WW or something). The only thing you really lose is some recharge enhancement in Build Up, but I can live with it, and I'm guessing Iggy can too.
5) Putting a +Stealth IO in Sprint just makes sense. +Stealth is one of those IOs that will function as long as the power it is in is available. So if you put one in Sprint, you will ALWAYS have stealth ability, no matter how low you exemp. All it costs you is the cash to buy the IO, since Sprint already has a slot in it that is almost never used for anyuthing else.
All this is without looking at the build, so I could be mistaken on some of it. But...last I looked Iggy had a lot of the same slotting ideas for his Kat/WP that I was planning on doing with mine, so my guesses are probably pretty accurate.
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Interestingly enough, putting the proc in bu/aim is one of the worst places you can slot it. He's not using anything else that takes the set though so it makes sense to slot it there along with all the other bonuses of the set of course, as already mentioned.| Also, Gaussian's includes the Chance for Build Up proc. *I* try to slot it in Build Up as well, so when it fires you actually USE it. Putting it in a toggle doesn't make much sense to me, since you will rarely ever get any benefit from it (I found my proc was mostly going off while I was standing at WW or something). The only thing you really lose is some recharge enhancement in Build Up, but I can live with it, and I'm guessing Iggy can too. |
Putting it in a toggle is probably the best option we have available to every combo. It is irrelevant that it fires when you aren't in combat because you aren't in combat. It will fire more often while you are in combat than if you stick it in buildup on average anyway. You'd need terrible luck for it not to work out to be more beneficial.
It is the same thing as perf shifter +end. It fires all the time even when you are full of end, but it is still much better to put it in an auto power that will roll the proc every 10 sec than in something that rolls it a third as often.
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Very nice build!|
Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
Here's the new build.
maybe you guys could improve it some more |
Here are my suggestions. I assume you'll like them.
I sacrificed 3 HP/s regen and 1.7% Res:Psi (and a lot of influence) but I believe it was totally worth it.
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Not sure if you'd like mine, rely's on NR+sprint (and jump pack) for travel, it has a gladiator in it so the cost jumps up a buttload, but yea:
Click this DataLink to open the build!
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On paper, survivability when surrounded drops from 2826 to 2520. The big difference is the loss of Strength of Will. I'm not a fan of variable survivability and crashes, so I'd be very tempted to go with your version anyway, but the average contribution of Strength of Will is more than the extra defense and resistance you've put in its place, at least on paper.|
Originally Posted by Myriad
Very nice build!
Here are my suggestions. I assume you'll like them. I sacrificed 3 HP/s regen and 1.7% Res:Psi (and a lot of influence) but I believe it was totally worth it. |
Looks like more recovery, though I gather that wasn't a problem that needed solving. I'm glad to see Tactics make an appearance, but with the loss of the Kismet unique and some global accuracy bonuses, chance to hit doesn't really improve. A little extra recharge, but the build probably doesn't benefit much from recharge.
Anything else I'm missing?
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Frosticus and Claws pretty much cover these|
Originally Posted by Void Spirit
I am fairly new to mids, so these are more like questions rather than suggestions. And since I'm planning the respec of my katana/wp scrapper, I'd be interested in your answers.
(1) It seems inconsistent to shortchange the slots on Quick Recovery and Stamina, but then take Conserve Power. Would it be better to more fully slot Quick Recovery (4 slots) and Stamina (3 slots), so that you don't need Conserve Power? (2) Your FC defense is only 38% but your EN is 45%. Would it be better to slot Aegis (3% FC) instead of Reactive Armor (1.25% EN) into Tough? (3) Why don't you slot any full sets of Eradication (which would give 1.56% FC each)? (4) Is it really worth it to 6-slot Build Up? What would you think of 3-slotting it with Adjusted Targeting (1.26% EN) to free up some slots? (5) Do you want to slot the Unbounded Leap stealth into Sprint? |
1. CP for me is the easiest way to get your endurance under control while saving slots to use for other powers.
2. E/N is a more comon damage type than F/C, so I would rather have that sitting at 45
3. I saved 2 slots. Didn't find the need for more f/c defense.
4. for over all defense boost. Helps me cap melee with 1 application of DA as well as capping E/N defense. Adjusted Targeting offers resists (Am I wrong here?)
5. I usually don't bother with stealth IOs, but that would be the place for it.
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Originally Posted by Werner
On paper, survivability when surrounded drops from 2826 to 2520. The big difference is the loss of Strength of Will. I'm not a fan of variable survivability and crashes, so I'd be very tempted to go with your version anyway, but the average contribution of Strength of Will is more than the extra defense and resistance you've put in its place, at least on paper.
Looks like more recovery, though I gather that wasn't a problem that needed solving. I'm glad to see Tactics make an appearance, but with the loss of the Kismet unique and some global accuracy bonuses, chance to hit doesn't really improve. A little extra recharge, but the build probably doesn't benefit much from recharge. Anything else I'm missing? |
I really don't see myself buying one of those unless the price drops to the millions instead of billions.
Adjusted Targeting offers Resists for Energy/Neg energy
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Well, Iggy just said "to improve it some more". I had no clear goals and didn't see any obvious problems. So I tried to get some improvements in with as little sacrifice as possible. I'm not a fan of SoW either, for the same reasons you already mentioned. So I decided to drop it to be able to take Tactics. The drop in regen was something I accepted, too. Although in retrospect I could have left the Numina IOs in RttC to minimize the regen drop and still have more net recovery than before.|
Originally Posted by Werner
On paper, survivability when surrounded drops from 2826 to 2520. The big difference is the loss of Strength of Will. I'm not a fan of variable survivability and crashes, so I'd be very tempted to go with your version anyway, but the average contribution of Strength of Will is more than the extra defense and resistance you've put in its place, at least on paper.
Looks like more recovery, though I gather that wasn't a problem that needed solving. I'm glad to see Tactics make an appearance, but with the loss of the Kismet unique and some global accuracy bonuses, chance to hit doesn't really improve. A little extra recharge, but the build probably doesn't benefit much from recharge. Anything else I'm missing? |
I added defense especially to F/C to bring it in line with the other types plus ~1% resistence overall. More recovery is always nice, I think, and more recharge won't hurt. I didn't analyze the vid to figure out the attack chain used, so I stayed away from the attacks (except for a minor tweak).
If it were my Kat/WP the build would probably look a bit more like Wuiglys build. And unlike Iggy I always include the Glad.Armor unique when I try to build for defense (then again, I have only 3 characters with defense builds so far, so I only needed 3 of them, I guess that makes it easier and cheaper compared to someone with more alts
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Looked good to me. I'm mostly a cheapo and tried to spread the defense fairly evenly between the FC and EN. I think my EN is right at 40 and my FC is 37 or so. I have DA slotted to 19% so one tap gets me around 42% and I'll spam it every other hit until I'm floating around 60. If it drops, I hit with it. I keep melee def monitored.
None of it means anything without the Rularuu/Rikti/Vanguard sword and an appropriate snappy outfit.
That's pretty awesome. If you are taking down a pylon in 18 mins what is the DPS?
I had a capped Kat/WP build that got hit a bit by the BOTZ nerf. I'll check your build when I get a chance -- maybe pick up some tips!
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Heh, I guess we DO think a lot alike when it comes to slotting powers......I never did get around to actually opening the build |
Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
Frosticus and Claws pretty much cover these
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
Oh, and here's a question I asked and got some great answers a while back.
What's the optimal way to slot DA?
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=215288
Here's the new build.
maybe you guys could improve it some more
Have to watch this first though