Which sets will survive best?
listen tell me how is it so bad? have you even tried these combos? i have many times. if you dont like what i say then dont reply. i mostily play scrappers so i know what i am talking about.
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I have played 5 scrappers to level 50 in this way, and each of them used a different primary and a different secondary. So yes, I know what I am talking about.
In fact, a little over a year ago, I was partly responsible for the conventional wisdom concerning Broadsword attack chains being re-examined. Currently, the attack chain I proposed at that time is considered the best possible DPS chain for Broadsword scrappers.
Now, I can tell you very plainly that you don't know what you're talking about at all. You think you do, but that only exacerbates the fact that you don't.
Let me break down your post point-by-point to make it more clear:
1) "while kat/wp is great they do start off slowily" Katana/Willpower doesn't start out any more slowly than any other scrapper, with the possible exception of Regeneration scrappers who get QR much earlier. Katana has strong, efficient lower-tier attacks. Willpower has a couple passives that boost survivability significantly without costing endurance. These are not the hallmarks of a late-blooming combo. They are the hallmarks of a combo that starts out strong and keeps getting stronger.
2) "but near end game kat can come close to the damage output of the broadsword itself." Now, bear in mind that I know Broadsword attack chains and Katana attack chains like the back of my hand, but especially the Broadsword ones. I am a bigger fan of Broadsword than I am of Katana from a thematic standpoint. But putting aside secondaries, Katana outperforms Broadsword in both single-target and AoE damage. From an early level and on throughout the game. At virtually all levels of recharge. See Werner's post above, he uses numerical analysis of the powers themselves to demonstrate this fact.
3) but i would recommend spine/wp like kat this type ends up being a beast in both pve/p. Nothing wrong with this statement really, except insofar as there are other powerset combinations that clearly outperform spine/wp in any aspect of pve or pvp. But the point is well taken, Spine/WP is a good combination. It starts off strong. It gets stronger.
4) but it does have a 1 problem it starts off squishy. No squishier than any other scrapper. In fact Willpower gets off to a very strong start because of its passives. Spines has issues, but it has valuable mitigation in the form of debuffs inherent in its attacks. Again, other primaries will offer less mitigation than spines and therefore be squishier.
5) much more for a scrapper. More for a scrapper than for what? A stalker? News flash: scrappers are less squishy than stalkers at any level.
Now, I don't really mean to jump down your throat here. You have a right to post as you see fit. But you are saying a lot of highly ignorant things and you're going to be corrected. To make matters worse, you're starting to throw around insinuations that the people correcting you (ok, me specifically) don't know what they're on about. But believe me, now is not the time for you to bandy about such talk. Now iis the time for you to lurk and learn.
That's great advice right there.
Oh, wait, to your latest post:
gee im sorry, thanks ill never give any adive ever again here. why becuase no matter i say itll be wrong. and yes i want to know why it was wrong. but now it doesnt even matter. |
If you want to know why the things you said were wrong, then the answers are here. You can learn from them. But in the very same breath, you say that now it doesn't matter. Well, which is it? Do you want to learn why the things you said were mistaken, or does it not matter to you now?
I'll let you respond to that question before I say anything more.
I have a Katana/Willlpower scrapper, yes. And I have a Broadsword/Shield scrapper, yes. Both are at level 50 and both have soloed AVs, Rikti Pylons, and so on. Both can solo at +4x8. And neither was powerleveled at all, but both were leveled to 50 by running normal content with normal SO enhancements.
I have played 5 scrappers to level 50 in this way, and each of them used a different primary and a different secondary. So yes, I know what I am talking about. . |
but the point is we are both right and both wrong. so to say i dont know what im saying is presuptius. to say when someone wrong with nothing to back up on what the other person says. im not saying your wrong you have merit ill give you that. but to say i have none is wrong. i play on freedom. true i go play abit differntily then others.
but my point holds on both the kat/wp and spine. becuase i do know what im saying. wheither or not you agree with it.
but the point is we are both right and both wrong. so to say i dont know what im saying is presuptius. to say when someone wrong with nothing to back up on what the other person says. im not saying your wrong you have merit ill give you that. but to say i have none is wrong. i play on freedom. true i go play abit differntily then others.
but my point holds on both the kat/wp and spine. becuase i do know what im saying. wheither or not you agree with it. |
No, you are not "both right and both wrong." Please, consider that Chaos, Werner, and myself have all given you factual information based upon actual numerical comparisons as well as objective and accurate information about why your recommendations were not valid and/or incorrect.
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btw there are great players such as myself who doesnt post on the boards. and i think im done with this this board. as yall elites want to tell me shutup and let yall talk. so thats what im going to do.
I'd also like to point out that Will Power is not good at PvP. Not in the least bit, it needs a huge(billions) of influence to be competitive. I'm not trying to be mean just trying to clarify.
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Dark/Shield Build Thread
but near end game kat can come close to the damage output of the broadsword itself.
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but i would recommend spine/wp like kat this type ends up being a beast in both pve/p.
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I don't have experience with Spines/Willpower. I will guess that it IS A beast in PvE. However, it's a beast in the "survives well enough and puts out very good AoE damage" sense, not in the "it's a hard core tank build" sense. Maybe with enough IOs. But I'm pretty confident we could make IOd builds to trounce it in the survivability department using other combinations. And without IOs, Katana/Willpower is simply going to be more survivable due to the contribution of Divine Avalanche. It won't do nearly the AoE damage as Spines/Willpower, but that wasn't what the OP was asking for.
but [spine/wp] does have a 1 problem it starts off squishy.
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Much more for a Scrapper than what? Tankers and Brutes don't get Spines. As best I can tell, only Stalkers get Spines/Willpower in addition to Scrappers. I confess to having never played a Stalker or number crunched Stalker survivability. About all I know is that they have fewer hit points (though apparently not by a wide margin). Maybe the hiding and placate and all that makes up for it, so a Spines/Willpower Stalker is less squishy than the equivalent Scrapper? Certainly possible for all I know.
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Now, you're probably looking at the Scrapper forum and thinking, "what a bunch of dicks". But I can tell you that we only very rarely act this way. And we act this way when someone presents misinformation, we correct it, and then they continue insisting that they're right. We're just not fans of misinforming people who are asking questions. We won't just go "oh, OK" when someone is wrong, just because they're really really sure they're right, and really really strident about saying so.
Oh, you posted again. Let's see...
no what that means is that some people have it thier heads they are always right and some who offers some small adivse is wrong. sorry but i think thats bull. but whatever. i wont make this kind of mistake again.
btw there are great players such as myself who doesnt post on the boards. and i think im done with this this board. as yall elites want to tell me shutup and let yall talk. so thats what im going to do. |
You could have turned this into a learning experience for yourself. Your ego won't let you. That's fine. No loss for us, only for you.
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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It's a filthy, filthy habit. I should try to wean myself off of it. Or maybe cold turkey.
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what i mean slower i ment out of all of the scrapper types. sorry f that wasnt clear.
i respect your post. sorry if people think im always thinking im right. i wasnt try to say that nor was what i was induldge. i only wanted to offer some advise. that was what original post was. i dont like getting dogpiled on. when i do i get more rude*. and people start thinking i might not know what im talking about.
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"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Come close?
Code:
Hack 71.28 > 60.45 Sting of the Wasp Slash 43.43 < 62.55 Gambler's Cut Slice 37.70 < 51.59 Flashing Steel Parry 36.49 = 36.49 Divine Avalanche Whirling Sword 30.17 < 46.11 The Lotus Drops Disembowel 68.13 < 78.22 Soaring Dragon Head Splitter 74.60 < 82.83 Golden Dragonfly |
"Quit cryin'! Do some pushups or something!" --Bernie Mac
(There may be some broadsword builds out there that outdamage mine, too, although I'm not aware of them.)
Depending on the secondary, Katana COULD be competitive even with AAO-saturated BS/SD in maximum DPS, but it would pretty much require a damage aura AND an attack chain that doesn't utilize Divine Avalanche, which is a recipe for comparatively low defense.
Has anyone routinely solo'd mixed Rularuu at +4x8? I'd be impressed as hell if so.
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"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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I think the best a scrapper can hope against +4/x8 rularuu without insps is to simply not die too much.
Even the usual power that can let many builds take on +4/x8 missions, Energy Torrent, isn't as efficient here as eyeballs, psi guys and mosquitos are all hovering.
It just doesn't seem possible.
(^ if we repeat the above enough, Iggy might pop up and do it. Just wait.)
Agreed, totally 100% impossible. Nobody could ever do it.
(Innocent whistling while waiting.)
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Agreed, totally 100% impossible. Nobody could ever do it.
(Innocent whistling while waiting.) |
(looks around nonchalantly)
(Also, Werner, did I get at least a tiny groan from you for my purple patch joke earlier in the thread?

lol
I might just be stupid enough to even try it

I bet the mixed spawns will destroy you even faster.....
I might just be stupid enough to even try it with only swipe
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I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen
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^Professional Katana/regen build thread
I have to say, after many years of play, it all comes down to what feels right for you. My favorite has been a BS/WP. After talks with many of you I made a nasty little AV killer. I don't post much, but I read alot, and have tried almost every combo out there. Find what feels right. Look at the advice with a grain of salt. I get told alot that my BS/WP scrapper does things no /WP scrapper should be able to. Some of it is slotting and IO's, alot of it is it's so much fun to play I take risks and get lucky. /WP will survive well at almost any level, its like easy mode for scrappers. Add favorite damage dealer and go have fun!
** I don't view Spines/ secondary effect to be terribly effective for mitigation, especialy in comparison to DM/ having SL and Kat/ having DA.