Performance drop after 5/4/10 patch
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Back_Blast,
Posted on: 2010-05-04 10:54 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
I am in the same boat u r and from what the tech guys told me they are working to make CoH intel compatible but its still far from perfect i have an intel integrated card (rly bad for any game lol) but its all i have you could try going to widows xp instead of vista or win 7 that seems to solve a few of the issues although it is very time consuming.
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To be honest NordBlast is correct in pointing out the false statement that the devs said about not effecting the players game with ultra mode. The drivers for intel, to my knowledge where working perfectly fine until this patch. Meaning that the patch itself changed something so that the majority of intel users cannot play anymore. This statement is proven by the number of fourm post that were posted all claming issues and 90 percent of them had a intel driver. See I am no computer junkie, but this seems like pretty soild truth to what NordBlast was saying. Yes some people need to update thier drivers but the issues is the majorty of people that were playing this game before the patch, cannot anymore and where promised that nothing would happen to people's ability to play the game. That is the issue at hand, and the devs need to understand this and fix this.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Well, that very well may be the case, but it very well may not be the case. And what your experiencing is *not* hard and fast proof there's a problem on the Dev's side of things. Because what you're experiencing is *not* what everyone else is experiencing. If it was all a problem of CoH coding, everyone would have the same problem, and they don't.
The huge difference between machines besides the usual suspects of hardware configurations and drivers is all the other background programs, and you've got a truckload of them, which is always recommended against by everyone remotely connected and in-the-know with regard to running any highly graphical intensive programs on a computer. CoH's own minimum requirements don't have an footnote that says, "Including machines that run 40 processes running in the background." And if you have 40 processes running the background and CoH won't work for you, you can't say, "It's all CoH's fault," without first taking them out of the equation. And the next line in this argument is likely to be, "But I had these 40 processes running before this patch!" And the answer to that is, "You were lucky." There's no assurance that CoH will run concurrently with any other process that's not needed for the operating system or for the game itself. And if it's discovered that the new coding in this patch conflicts with something running in the background, then who's fault is that? Did the CoH Devs do something wrong, or is it the fault of the programmers of that other process who have faulty code, only there just never happened to be a conflict beforehand? It's well known that some of the graphical problems are on the side of the GPU manufacturers and faulty drivers. It's why driver updates sometimes clears up problems... it wasn't CoH's fault at all. If in a new patch, the code makes a call to a graphical FX that's supposed to be there, but the driver's coding is screwed up and doesn't handle it right, it would seem that the new patch is at fault, when, in fact, it's the driver's manufacturer's fault. We've already discovered software conflicts with I17: ATI Hotkey Poller; MSE; and some others. It's anyone's guess which programs are the one making the illegal codes at this point. If you don't want to try to see if it's a software conflict, then you're the one who may never have CoH ever playing right on your computer again. |
ok all i found something that solved my issue a bit of coding that the devs gave me but very case sensitive follow directions to letter.
1. right click on CoH/Cov shortcut
2. click on properties
3. click on shortcut tab at top
4. go to target window "C:\Program Files\City of Heroes\CohUpdater.exe"
5. after the last " press space bar once
6. enter following code exactly -useTexEnvCombine
7. click on apply then ok.
8. right click on CoH run as admin.
Solved my crash issues might solve ur GL
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Sweet, sends my FPS back to i16 speeds
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Originally Posted by luminous martini
ok all i found something that solved my issue a bit of coding that the devs gave me but very case sensitive follow directions to letter.
1. right click on CoH/Cov shortcut 2. click on properties 3. click on shortcut tab at top 4. go to target window "C:\Program Files\City of Heroes\CohUpdater.exe" 5. after the last " press space bar once 6. enter following code exactly -useTexEnvCombine 7. click on apply then ok. 8. right click on CoH run as admin. Solved my crash issues might solve ur GL |
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The Intel graphics adapters have really been only marginally supported by the game for a very long time. As a matter of fact, the statement on the forums recently by a redname that the Intel adapters continue to be actively supported by the game was a big surprise to me. A friend of mine was told several years ago by NCSoft/CoH support that the Intel adapters were not really supported due to the manner in which they processed the graphics ... he contacted support because he had an issue (which was sometimes helpful in missions, LOL!) where if he moused over something that caused the mouse cursor to change, it would redraw the entire area - and it would often not redraw walls and such (which meant he could see the bad guys behind the undrawn walls, but they couldn't see him).|
Originally Posted by XHacker
To be honest NordBlast is correct in pointing out the false statement that the devs said about not effecting the players game with ultra mode. The drivers for intel, to my knowledge where working perfectly fine until this patch. Meaning that the patch itself changed something so that the majority of intel users cannot play anymore. This statement is proven by the number of fourm post that were posted all claming issues and 90 percent of them had a intel driver. See I am no computer junkie, but this seems like pretty soild truth to what NordBlast was saying. Yes some people need to update thier drivers but the issues is the majorty of people that were playing this game before the patch, cannot anymore and where promised that nothing would happen to people's ability to play the game. That is the issue at hand, and the devs need to understand this and fix this.
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While obviously something has changed, it is likely that the problems truly are the fault of Intel and the updates have simply exposed them much more harshly to the light of day. It's unfortunate that Intel hasn't really updated it's graphics hardware and drivers to efficiently and attractively handle online games, but there you have it. From a quick glance at the system requirements of some of the mmo's I play, very few, if any, games specify that they support Intel graphics - most only specifically mention nvidia and ATI Radeon. As frustrating as it may be, there's only just so much that developers can do when the manufacturer doesn't improve their product.
Also, while the devs statement of backwards compatibility may now appear to be incorrect, I highly doubt that they deliberately deceived anyone or that the crappy graphics that Intel adapter users are getting is in any way purposeful or deliberate. It pains me to read some of the angry posts which are basically accusing the development team of lying to them and cheating them out of something. They are aware of the issues with the Intel graphics and are working on alleviating what they can - but some of these problems do rest squarely on the shoulders of Intel.
Storm
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I'm having the same exact problem. Before the latest patch, the game was running perfectly. Now, after the patch, unless I lower all graphics settings to the "crap" setting, I can't play.
I used to play with decent settings. Not maxed out, but certainly not low. Game performance has had a massive drop after the latest patch.
Here's my CoHhelper data.
---System information gathered by CoH Helper version 0.1.1.8---
DxDiag gathered at May 5, 2010 16:55 (-04:00)
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.100216-1441)
System Manufacturer: HP Pavilion 061
System Model: EL472AA-ABA a1350n
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Central Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+, MMX, 3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.2GHz
Memory: 2046MB
.Net Memory Report: 1594MB out of 2046MB available
Page File: 3428MB (511MB currently in use)
C Drive: (SAMSUNG SP2504C) 155216MB out of 229749MB (67%) free
H Drive: (SAMSUNG SP2504C) 1142MB out of 8706MB (13%) free
I Drive: (TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552L) zero-size drive
J Drive: (IDE-DVD DROM6216) zero-size drive
Windows directory location: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DirectX Diag version: 5.03.2600.2180 (32-bit version)
Display Notes: No problems found.
Sound Notes: No problems found.
Input Notes: No problems found.
Monitor: Default Monitor
Monitor's Max Resolution: (blank)
Video Device Name: Radeon X1600/X1650 Series
Manufacturer / Chip: ATI Technologies Inc. / ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x71C2)
Video Memory: 512.0 MB
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6925
Driver Date: 7/21/2009 11:54:20 AM
Driver Language: English
Sound Device Description: Sound Blaster Live! 24-bit
Driver File: P17.sys
Driver Version: 5.12.0001.0314
Driver Date: 6/4/2004 4:27:46 AM
WMI Information
Motherboard Manufacturer: ASUSTek Computer INC.
Motherboard Model: (empty)
Motherboard Product: Amberine M
Motherboard Version: 1.03
BIOS Manufacturer: Phoenix Technologies, LTD
BIOS Name: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
BIOS Version: HP-CPC - 42302e31
BIOS Release: 20060117000000.000000+000
Registry Information for Current User
Resolution: 1280x1024
3D Resolution: 1280x1024 (Not using renderscale)
Full Screen: Yes
Maximized: No
Screen Position: 0, 0
Refresh Rate: 60Hz
Vertical Sync Enabled: Yes
Physics Quality: Medium
Maximum Particles: 50000
Max Particle Fill? 10.000
Physics Card Enabled: No
Anti-aliasing: None
Anisotropic Filtering: 4x
Texture LOD Bias: Smooth
Water Effects: High Quality
Bloom: 1.000 (turned on)
Depth of Field Enabled: Yes
Desaturation Effects (Sepia) Enabled: Yes
Shader Detail: Unknown (3)
World Texture Level: Very High
Character Texture Level: Very High
World Detail Level (Vis_Scale): 1.000
Entity Detail Level: 1.000
Shadows Enabled: Yes
Gamma Correction: 1.000
Geometry Buffers (VBOs) Enabled: Yes
Suppression of Extra Player FX Enabled: No
Suppression of FX When Camera Close Enabled: Yes
Close Suppression Range: 3.000
Show Advertisements: Yes
Audio Mode: Performance
3D Audio: No
FX Sound Volume: 0.622
Music Sound Volume: 0.000
Show Advanced Graphics Options: No
Overall Graphics Quality: 0.500
Reverse Mouse Buttons: No
Save Login Username: Yes
Transfer Rate: 513044 bytes/second
Current Game Version: 1800.201003300904.15T4r
Installation Directory: C:\Program Files\City of Heroes
Mod files in the Data directory
.\sound\ogg\weapons has 4 files
.\texture_library\GUI\HUD\Contacts has 1 file
.\texture_library\GUI\Icons\Powers has 214 files
Arc ID: 348998 - Becoming a villain
Arc ID: 373341 - To Save a Hero
Got Inf?
Well you're behind a service pack on your Windows for starters and it could pay to update your video drivers. See here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownloa...fessional/Home for the latest available for your card. Your sound drivers are also pretty old though it's less likely they are part of the problem. See: http://support.creative.com/Products...T=CategoryID:1 for new ones.
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Smash try the coding if that doesn't work then try calling tech support better to talk to them over the phone they might have more coding to solve ur issue
GL
Martini
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I guess this disables Ultra Mode? I see all the options for it went away. It did work for me...framerate went back to what it was before this patch (60-ish). But I was using Ultra Mode before the patch then....ah well...
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Originally Posted by luminous martini
ok all i found something that solved my issue a bit of coding that the devs gave me but very case sensitive follow directions to letter.
1. right click on CoH/Cov shortcut 2. click on properties 3. click on shortcut tab at top 4. go to target window "C:\Program Files\City of Heroes\CohUpdater.exe" 5. after the last " press space bar once 6. enter following code exactly -useTexEnvCombine 7. click on apply then ok. 8. right click on CoH run as admin. Solved my crash issues might solve ur GL |
Well, updating the drivers fixed the performance issues, but I still have to put my settings slightly lower than they were before. Though it still seems odd that my game stability was just fine until the patch.
Arc ID: 348998 - Becoming a villain
Arc ID: 373341 - To Save a Hero
Got Inf?
In my case, I'd have to buy a whole new laptop to go with it as it can't be upgraded