(Villains only) How evil do YOU want to be, really?

Well, you could have your public works program just be a cover story too - like show your populaiton how you cared about them, and how you were making a break from the previous government of Recluse

In order for it to actually DO anything you have to actually put effort into it. You have to be altruistic, especially if you're actually trying to provide livable shelter for the people in the Isles. Again, way to much effort for the kind of people that rob banks instead of hold down nine to fives.

And again, you've missed the larger point - City of Villains can be change in text only to something significantly more palatable to the players without changing the status quo.

Again, you're thinking up elaborate, unbelievable excuses to explain a design choice that we understand quite well. We just don't like it. Explanations are not going to cut it. Change and options are what's needed.

The RP debate is unwinnable, because I can simply counter with "Why bother when there are plenty of other Islands out there to take over that haven't been crapped on by an evil overlord yet." Arachnos tech has so far failed to impress me, as well, considering it can't seem to stop me from breaking into their bases each time I take a wrong turn, and their lieutenants don't inspire me, considering I've slapped them all around like errant stepchildren.

The point you keep trying to evade is "Why would I want to?" What is there in the Rogue Isles that's worth taking over? I can kind of see Recluse ruling the place with an eye on moving on before it falls apart completely, but for a villain looking for a less transient accomplishment, Arachnos and the Isles offer nothing. It's like fighting over a hole in the ground. Great! You won! Now what are you going to do with it?

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

But you wouldn't have to do it yourself - you'd be the boss, so you'd have all those level 50s to order around to do the work for you, while you stood looking out those big windows in the Grandville conference room and twirling your moustache, with the defeated Recluse chained to the podium behind you, wearing a metal bikini.

Well, you'd still just be a hired Arachnos goon - even if all the contacts now had /e cower as their default emote

Use it as a starting point to take over the world - just like your boss does
And not only do you get a base for your plans, you also get a ready-made evil organization that you can make better way faster than starting up your own from scratch.

Hired is still leaps and bound over enslaved.

But you're not enslaved
If you think a contact is giving you too much attitude, just tell them to get lost and go do some newspaper missions instead

Sure, ignore the content of the game. That's a good idea.

How would you respond to those two?

Or use the alternative content like D-Mac, and the other stuff that will be coming

An don't forget that the devs are very big on not removing stuff from the game, because for every player that dislikes something, there'll be another that likes it - so by adding alternative content instead of replacing current content, they can keep more people happy.

I wonder if I should make some kind of HTML macro that appends "You are missing the point" every time I quote you.

Again, Arachnos' "base" is a run-down rotten slum that's on the edge of caving in on itself. Whether or not the Recluse's Victory shenanigans are the last thing Recluse does with Arachnos, it's the last thing he'll do with it, because from how things are looking, it ain't lasting much longer. It's like a pirate fighting to take over a sinking ship as the crew is bailing out. What are you going to DO with it?

As for the organisation, there's AMPLE evidence throughout the entire game that the organisation is utter crap. Rife with corruption, replete with traitors and spies and staffed with belligerent jackasses who would much rather spend their days hassling people as they come off the ferry than do their actual job. Everyone's taking on the side, everyone's sinking someone else, everyone's working against the greater good of the whole... It's a miracle the whole thing is still standing up.

Again, outside of unconvincing explanations, you have no good REASON for anyone to want to take over Arachnos after seeing what the organisation is on the inside. Base? Barely any. Organisation? Barely there. Resources? Embezzled away. Servants? Yeah, right!

Nemesis has the right idea. Unfortunately, Nemesis smart enough to not flood his facilities with psychotic ******** fresh out of jail with free reign to run around and cause havoc. HIS organisation I would actually like to shoot for. Arachnos? No, thanks. Somebody stepped on that before I got there.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I'd help out in both cases - and give the second one plenty of sass

Farm eight missions from one to 50 then?

You keep missing the point. NOTHING HAS TO BE REMOVED! Nothing in the mission has to be changed. AT ALL. the same exact tasks can be OFFERED to our characters, rather than ordered, with some obscure threat to back them up.

Sass isn't an option. You either stand there meekly afraid of your beating, or you "go do some newspaper missions instead "

Ok. You're almost there. Now imagine if you couldn't give any sass and just had to meekly take the abuse. Imagine if every mission was like that. That's all that's being said.

In RV, when the Villains take the zone, we're showna future where Arachnos has taken over Paragon City, rebuilt large parts of Atlas Park in their own style, and put up a huge statue of Recluse along with various propaganda posters - that seems like it'd need a bit of organization to get done.

Statesman and the other Heroes don't seem to think Arachnos is such a failed organization

But not every red side mission is like that either

Just 90% of them.

So, you're admitting that those arcs have bad writing?

After you say this so often... It becomes more of a case of the ones repeating this statement that are missing the real point.



Although, you may have entered the point of no return...
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How would you know? All your information is secondhand.

But try and imagine what it's like to play like that. You try and get into the story, you're liking the plot, and then, BAM, all of a sudden you're getting the pissboy treatment. (Mel Brook's History of the World reference for anybody who gets hung up over language.)

It's not something that everyone can just deal with. It kind of sucks, for a lot of people.

I'd give him sass in my head then
And the game can't prevent an /e getsome, /e buzzoff, /e hand, /e laugh or /e yatayata when standing in front of a contact

No, you're missing the point - what happens to the players who like the current contact text? Adding alternative content keeps them happy, and it gives the players who don't like the current contact text a way of avoiding it.

Pointless flailing aside, if you go along with the mission, it's written as if the mean old contact really did intimidate you with his threats of violence and insults. And since you seem to have missed it: