You mean /ElA, we normally use /EA for Energy Aura (Brute/Stalker powerset) so that's there is no confusion 
I'd say the most synergistic are dark melee (ElA has such a long-recharging heal, plus ElA makes tight builds and pairing it with DM you can skip some DM stuff like Dark Consumption) and katana (or broadsword) because you can have very early melee defense. And if you want a DPS machine go DM, but DM has no significant AoE.
That said I made a DB/Elec and I love her, good ST, good AoE, and all the awesomeness from elec (power sink, reflexes, getting a LOT of toggles like maneuvers/weave/tough and not worry about endurance...). TIGHT build tho.
And yes, sets with long recharges (don't know why you put DM as long recharge, was it because of Soul Drain?) benefit a lot from ElA, especially the end intensive ones. My Stone Melee/Elec brute who could run out of endurance even with speed boost and attacks only slotted for endred and acc had her blue bar problems solved after I got P. Sink, even before I slotted it.
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I would say claws is a good choice, I have a Claw/FA at 50 and a Claw/Ela in the mid 20s.|
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Hi everyone, I know I start lots of threads but I would put one giant collection if the ideas didn't come days apart.
My question now, as the title says is what is the best /EA primary? I find myself in love with this set (Lightning Reflexes is GOD) and I want to make a DPS MACHINE out of him. I figure something with longer recharges would capitalize best from this set (BS, EM, DM) but I built a Claws/EA and I love him so far. The super-short recharge benefits greatly from it and I love the two PBAoE's it brings. My second choice would be DM because it complements it well and the -hit would be very nice with it. |
Claws is good because it has built in mitigation in knockdowns and knockback to help with the downtime between heals. Plus Followup+dmg aura+spin is smexy.
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MY db/eia is doing fine if you want pure damage fire always works as well
lots of options
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I'd go with Katana or Broadsword.
Both do good damage and have a power that provides +Defense to melee, that combined with good resists and a heal would make for a great alt.
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IMHO :
- Kat/ELA for ST DPS (DB/ELA being a close second)
Lightning Reflexes help those primaries attain their super high recharge chains, and Energize (+ CP/PP) keeps you going as these chains are also end heavy. Lightning Field is a great boost especially as it benefits from the two -res procs you're going to be able to slot.
- Spines/ELA for AoE damage.
The usual spines goodness without having to care about end, and double damage auras. The only downside about this combo is stuff tend to run away between the end drains and spines dots, so you better attack fast (to stack slows) or pick ET (to keep stuff on their butt).
- Claws/ELA for a nice mix of both.
Nothing specific to say about this. It's Claws, great ST damage, great AoE damage and great mitigation.
Reasons I didn't pick other primaries (doesn't mean they're bad, but rather than there's not necessarily as much synergy as there is with the above examples):
- Fire
Stuff is going to run away, and you've got nothing to prevent it from happening.
- DM
While Siphon Life is still going to be great, it doesn't make the same difference as it does with secondaries lacking heals. Soul Drain is nice, but in prolonged fights against a single tough target Lightning Field works against it by killing its fodder. Finally, while -tohit as a secondary effect is cool ELA starts without defense, and building for top DPS doesn't leave much room to increase defense.
- BS
For DPS purposes, it's just Katana only slightly weaker.
- MA
It's MA. Sorry.
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- MA
It's MA. Sorry. |
... okay, fine.
(I wish MA would get some more buffs.)
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I'm thinking of rolling an /Elec toon and I have no experience with it, so I found this thread by searching, and have a few questions, specifically in regard to Nihilii's recommendations.
First though, for the toon I'd like excellent ST damage with at least some AoE. This rules out DM/. I don't want to roll a FM/, as I have a FM/SR. The ones I'm looking at are Kat/, DB/, or Claws/. I have a Claws/DA sitting at 16 , and haven't played either of the other two primaries, though I have done quite a bit of reading and toying around in MIDs with them.
Survivability is always a factor too, as I end up tanking for my wife and friends on a general basis. I know that DA in Kat/ would be the best option for upping survivability, but I have a BS/WP and I can't help get the feeling that it would feel too similar, however erroneous that feeling might be.
Also, Influence is not a concern, and I do have a Gladiator's Armor PVP +Def IO if that would factor into the survivability differential. I don't have a Fury of the Gladiator: Res DeBuff, but I might look into getting one for DPS purposes.
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I was wondering about Kat/ actually being behind both DB/ and Claws/ as far as ST damage. DB/ has Blinding Feint and Claws/ has Followup - taking advantage of /ElA's Lightning Reflexes, would not double stacking either allow for their ST chain damage plus the boosted damage of Lightning Field to push them quite a ways over Kat/ DPS? I'm not proficient with attack chains, but I'm making an educated guess based off of the Pylon soloing results thread and the top DPS chains in BillZ's 'The Results Are In..." thread.|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
IMHO :
- Kat/ELA for ST DPS (DB/ELA being a close second) Lightning Reflexes help those primaries attain their super high recharge chains, and Energize (+ CP/PP) keeps you going as these chains are also end heavy. Lightning Field is a great boost especially as it benefits from the two -res procs you're going to be able to slot. |
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- Claws/ELA for a nice mix of both.
Nothing specific to say about this. It's Claws, great ST damage, great AoE damage and great mitigation. |
Any commentary or input is greatly appriciated!
edit: PvE only. Also, Brute version is also an option.
While Kat/ lacks BF/FU, it just does so much damage on its high end chain I think it'd be first, at least it seems so on my spreadsheets (my closest experience is on a Kat/FA which can reach ~260 DPS... Assuming I pop insps so I don't need survivability).
The pylon results topic shows DB/Elec far above anything non-Shield, but I think Shadowsylph put far more effort into maximising his DPS than anyone else - including Shielders. You can see his build here, the focus on damage is extreme.
Stuff like Assault and global dam bonuses stack better on Kat as this primary operate at lower damage% values to start with, without BF/FU (but tend to have higher DPA on attacks and faster animations making for higher proc usage). That said, I could be wrong and maybe DB/Elec is in fact the top dog.
As for scrapper Claws, its high end chain starts a bit under DB, and unfortunately lags further behind because it can't slot the PVP -res IO. Never looked too much into Brutes so can't comment on that. We're still talking about 230-240 DPS or above, while also enjoying Spin and Shockwave.
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Hm. I think the trade off for Spin and Shockwave would be worth the drop in DPS. The PVP -Res IO could be slotted into LF. It could also go in Eviscerate, but I assume that it's DPA is bad, even including it's higher crit rate, since it's not in the top chain?|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
As for scrapper Claws, its high end chain starts a bit under DB, and unfortunately lags further behind because it can't slot the PVP -res IO. Never looked too much into Brutes so can't comment on that. We're still talking about 230-240 DPS or above, while also enjoying Spin and Shockwave.
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If Kat/ is higher DPS, even with BF/FU double stacked to boost the damage aura maybe I'll go Kat/ afterall. It really seems that it shouldn't be since, with a resist set like /ElA, you'd surely use a single DA to cap Melee Def which would prevent you from using the top chain and lower it's DPS.
I need to find an attack chain info thread so I can do my own calculations until Umbral completes his calculator.
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All these assumptions are using the top chain in each scenario -> GC GD GC SD for Katana. If you use DA for Katana, DPS will drop significantly. Claws and DB haven't a DA-like move so their top chain would have the same mitigation as Kat without DA anyway.| It really seems that it shouldn't be since, with a resist set like /ElA, you'd surely use a single DA to cap Melee Def which would prevent you from using the top chain and lower it's DPS. |
I also think the slight DPS drop in Claws is certainly worth the superior AoE capabilities. It's also good to remember Claws and DB will have superior tohit compared to Katana (although burst Tohit, with BU, can be nice against high defense stuff as a FU/BF miss can start "cascading tohit failure" on such foes).
Slotting the PVP IO into LF is certainly an option, although it'll only proc once every 10s as opposed to once every 5s... Yeah, that's actually not so bad and I didn't think of that. Evis is bad DPA for scrappers, on brutes I seem to recall it looked better but not sure about that.
I toyed around in Mids and came up with a build. I am afraid that the lack of survivability in /Elec will make me inordinately sad. This build runs the FU>Focus>Eviscerate chain with the FotG -Res proc in Eviscerate. It has 30.9% Melee Def, and a measly incidental 19.7% Ranged/AoE Def. On the plus side, Energize is almost perma and down only 1.2 seconds. Between Energize, PP, and CP the end usage should be sustainable without Stamina. The HP sucks at 1444, and therefore the regen rate is not nearly what I'd hoped for in a resist-based set. On the other hand, the damage output should be pretty impressive.
I have only played soft-capped Def builds and BS/WP, which is as good as a soft-capped build in nearly any situation. I have never leveled a resist-based toon previously, so I am worried that the lack of survivability inherent in a resist vs. def-based toon will be too great to enjoy.
Any thoughts?
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Hi everyone, I know I start lots of threads but I would put one giant collection if the ideas didn't come days apart.
My question now, as the title says is what is the best /EA primary? I find myself in love with this set (Lightning Reflexes is GOD) and I want to make a DPS MACHINE out of him.
I figure something with longer recharges would capitalize best from this set (BS, EM, DM) but I built a Claws/EA and I love him so far. The super-short recharge benefits greatly from it and I love the two PBAoE's it brings.
My second choice would be DM because it complements it well and the -hit would be very nice with it.