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Thoughts on this DM/Inv?

AF_Bill

By AF_Bill,
Posted on: 2010-04-26 03:52 in Scrappers

 

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I've resisted Dark Melee/Invuln for so long. I know it has the best survivability in Scrapperdom, but I've always wanted to see just how much I could do with other combinations. But sheesh, it's just TOO good the way you have it slotted up. I may need to finally break down and start one.

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Nice build....


I got a little problem with the slotting of Smite and SL though...
Made some changes on it to my liking

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I think its time for my level 46 DM/Inv Brute to hit 50

 

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Want to have a laugh?

This is where I was at before I took the long break, thinking of ways to get more AVs at once (and yes, I have all the IOs, just never bothered to put it all together):

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I have to figure out just what the new slot can do for me... That and inherent Stamina of course

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Originally Posted by Werner View Post
I've resisted Dark Melee/Invuln for so long. I know it has the best survivability in Scrapperdom, but I've always wanted to see just how much I could do with other combinations. But sheesh, it's just TOO good the way you have it slotted up. I may need to finally break down and start one.
Succubus Kali is seriously so much fun to play! Her build has gone a long way from what it was at the very beginning. This was her v1 build:
Build Version 1
It was a good build for the kind of cost it would take to make it, but nowhere close to what my current version (v19 ) accomplishes. Hell, I didn't even have Fireball in the first version and I have practically the same net Endurance gain for v1 (Body Mastery) and v19 (Blaze Mastery).

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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze View Post
Nice build....


I got a little problem with the slotting of Smite and SL though...
Made some changes on it to my liking

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I think its time for my level 46 DM/Inv Brute to hit 50
When I use that build code it shows SL as 6 blank slots.

Between Smite and SL, I gave SL more Recharge because attacks with higher base Recharge get more benefit.

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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards View Post
Modifying that build to my liking, I got it softcapped on S/L/F/C/E/N, reduced some of the Endurance drain, put Endurance/Recharge IOs in the spot you left me for the three attacks, and changed the Heal/Endurance Doctored Wounds to Recharge/Endurance. I did lose the Perception IO, but I don't mind. It was just a nice bonus. It looks like I will be using Dark Consumption for Endurance recovery once again. This is turning out to be quite the excellent build, and without having to load up on several sets of Purple/PVP IOs at that! I am very pleased with the stats.
I got your Perception IO back. Also, Siphon Life! Traded 4% damage (down to 91.8%) for more recharge and heal. Still softcapping everything. Soul drain is slightly slower now too (40s). I have no idea if the export will work as the Mids' I have is going a bit nuts with your data chunk (shows "legacy build" but the EndRec is obviously good). With no incarnate as of yet, consider the Spiritual path: End Redux for everything and a bit more resistance, which helps (specially for S/L). Oh, and you're HP-capped with DP, so I traded a LotG +Def for a plain +Def.

Regardless, if you're not happy you can just revert SL to the previous slotting with Kinetic combat, and you'll have the slots with Rectified Reticle as extras to play with. If you were to slot up Fire Blast, for example, it'd be pretty usable in an attack chain:



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Succubus Kali: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Invulnerability
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Blaze Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Shadow Punch -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), DarkWD-Rchg/EndRdx(43)
Level 1: Resist Physical Damage -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(7), Aegis-ResDam(7)
Level 2: Smite -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), DarkWD-Rchg/EndRdx(40)
Level 4: Temp Invulnerability -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(13), Aegis-ResDam(15), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(15)
Level 6: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Dct'dW-Heal(19), Dct'dW-Rchg(21)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(23), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(23), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(25), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(25), Heal-I(27)
Level 10: Resist Elements -- GA-3defTpProc(A)
Level 12: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(27), RechRdx-I(29)
Level 16: Unyielding -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Aegis-ResDam(17)
Level 18: Dark Consumption -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), RechRdx-I(33)
Level 20: Shadow Maul -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 22: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Aegis-ResDam(37)
Level 24: Maneuvers -- HO:Enzym(A), HO:Enzym(40), LkGmblr-Rchg+(45)
Level 26: Soul Drain -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(37), Rec'dRet-ToHit(39)
Level 28: Invincibility -- HO:Enzym(A), HO:Enzym(29), Rec'dRet-ToHit(31), Rec'dRet-Pcptn(31), LkGmblr-Rchg+(34)
Level 30: Weave -- HO:Enzym(A), HO:Enzym(36), LkGmblr-Rchg+(40)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(36), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(39), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), DarkWD-Rchg/EndRdx(42), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 35: Tough Hide -- DefBuff-I(A), LkGmblr-Def(43), LkGmblr-Rchg+(43)
Level 38: Resist Energies -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(42), Aegis-ResDam(42)
Level 41: Char -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(46), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(46), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(46)
Level 44: Fire Blast -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 47: Fire Ball -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Combat Jumping -- Ksmt-ToHit+(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(50)
Level 1: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 1: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 1: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(31)
Level 1: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A)
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 6: Ninja Run
Level 1: LEGACY BUILD

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*blink*

Why did you reply to a build that is months old?

That build looks corrupted. I can manage to make it a non-legacy build, but the Numina and Miracle procs appear to be "in-use" in some nebulous slots. I think it's that corrupted data too, but the Endurance management looks really bad.

Losing the Endurance Reduction in Fireball is a no no, as I've figured out while playing Succubus Kali, and she has a level 50 Endurance Reduction IO as the 6th slot for Fireball. Doing the regular single target attack chain might sustain me for a very long time on the current build, but adding Fireball on top of that every 8 seconds gets costly.

There are other things that start unraveling too, but I don't want to make it sound like I'm bashing on the build you're supplying. I'm thankful because it's given me some ideas - I just don't know how to implement them or if it's possible to do so without sacrificing something in another area.

The Cardiac Core Paragon I might've considered if the Scrapper Resist cap were higher than 75%. Right now though, I have a hard time considering the other Alpha boosts for my current build, and I've looked at all of them activated on said build.

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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards View Post
*blink*

Why did you reply to a build that is months old?

Because I didn't check?

"Active thread, must reply to anything" syndrome. Feel free to bash the build tho, it was merely getting that particular build I was replying to and adding the little tweak I saw as easy based on the post. You'd be bashing your own build :P

EDIT: Oh, as far as endurance goes, have you tried slotting Dark Consumption with a couple of EndMods? That can go a surprisingly long way, as I've found out with Actin. Yeah, scourging slots in a tight build ain't easy, I know

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I'm fine if I have multiple enemies to consistently use Dark Consumption on. If it's a target that takes more than 3 to 5 minutes, I might need to use a blue Inspiration.

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I'm fine if I have multiple enemies to consistently use Dark Consumption on. If it's a target that takes more than 3 to 5 minutes, I might need to use a blue Inspiration.
Yeh, that's the rationale for adding the extra endmod. When I was tooling with multiple AVs with Actin, it was when I was getting low on enemies that I ran into trouble (well, end-wise, the start with maximum AVs was much more touble!). With EndMod + Endmod/Rech, I could fight all day vs. 2 AVs (so 2 targets = unlimited end at her consumption rate), and with only one AV it did extend the blue bar pretty nicely (and almost indefinitely by switching one toggle off, typically Tough).

If nothing else, I'd recommend giving it a whirl on test vs. one AV and see if it makes a difference you may be interested in, should be a quick test.

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Despite how tough I've built my character, I very rarely will choose to solo an AV. I might get to an AV and fight them several minutes before my team catches up, but that's about it.

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Looking at your build and the one that I made, we had the exact same power choices.

I sort of amalgamated your build and mine together to make mine even better, so thanks for the post. I chose to go the Cardiac alpha slot because I didn't want endurance to be an issue, as well as it allowing me to increase my resistance by about 5% overall.

I had yet to find a build posted with fireball in it, which I think is a main flaw of Dark Melee. Not enough AoE to kill spawns fast enough.

Thanks again for posting your build.


Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.

 

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You're very welcome! It was definitely a community-driven build that went over many revisions and in the end, created something incredible!

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Hey Bass, you mind taking a looksie at this build? I plan on respec'ing into it soon and would like your input and, well, anyone else really.

My F/C isn't softcapped more out of choice because it's good enough for me. It's what I am currently running with anyways and I don't feel the need to bump it.

It's not a lot of changes from my current build but will be noticeable. I'd like to squeeze out some more damage output without sacrificing much overall.

Currently, my damage isn't bad at all, but I would like to push this to around 220-225 DPS while maintaining the survivability.

Using the Cardiac Core Paragon

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You can already do the Smite>SiphonLife>Smite>MidnightGrasp attack chain and your uptime for Soul Drain is high. The only thing I'd say is go for the Very Rare Musculature Alpha boost. You'd get to around 130% Damage enhancement.

By the way, there's no need to say which Alpha boost you're using anymore. We can see what you pick for the build.

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Posted

I didn't even think of that. I'll put that in and see what I can do. Thanks for the look over.

Oh and I like typing the boost because I'm calling it out to battle.

 

Posted

DM/Inv on a budget

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All-purpose DM-Inv: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Invulnerability
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Blaze Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Smite

  • (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
  • (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
  • (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
  • (5) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (5) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
Level 1: Resist Physical Damage
  • (A) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
  • (7) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
  • (7) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
  • (9) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
Level 2: Temp Invulnerability
  • (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
  • (13) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
  • (15) Reactive Armor - Resistance
  • (15) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge
Level 4: Shadow Maul
  • (A) Discouraging Words - To Hit Debuff
  • (9) Discouraging Words - To Hit Debuff/Recharge
  • (11) Discouraging Words - To Hit Debuff/Recharge/Endurance
Level 6: Dull Pain
  • (A) Harmonized Healing - Heal/Recharge
  • (17) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
  • (17) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
  • (19) Doctored Wounds - Recharge
Level 8: Combat Jumping
  • (A) Defense Buff IO
  • (19) Defense Buff IO
Level 10: Boxing
  • (A) Accuracy IO
Level 12: Siphon Life
  • (A) Crushing Impact - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (21) Crushing Impact - Damage/Recharge
  • (21) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (23) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
  • (23) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration
  • (25) Touch of the Nictus - Healing
Level 14: Maneuvers
  • (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
  • (25) Red Fortune - Defense
  • (27) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
Level 16: Unyielding
  • (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
  • (27) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge
  • (29) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
  • (29) Reactive Armor - Resistance
Level 18: Dark Consumption
  • (A) Eradication - Damage/Recharge
  • (31) Eradication - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (31) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (31) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod
  • (33) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge
Level 20: Hasten
  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (33) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (33) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 22: Tactics
  • (A) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff
  • (34) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge
Level 24: Resist Elements
  • (A) Aegis - Resistance
  • (34) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
  • (34) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
Level 26: Soul Drain
  • (A) Eradication - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (36) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (36) Eradication - Damage/Recharge
  • (36) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge
  • (37) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff
Level 28: Invincibility
  • (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
  • (37) Red Fortune - Defense
  • (37) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
  • (39) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff
  • (39) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge
Level 30: Resist Energies
  • (A) Aegis - Resistance
  • (39) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
  • (40) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
Level 32: Tough
  • (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
  • (40) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge
  • (40) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
  • (42) Reactive Armor - Resistance
Level 35: Weave
  • (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
  • (42) Red Fortune - Defense
  • (42) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
  • (50) Defense Buff IO
Level 38: Midnight Grasp
  • (A) Smashing Haymaker - Accuracy/Damage
  • (43) Smashing Haymaker - Damage/Endurance
  • (43) Smashing Haymaker - Damage/Recharge
  • (43) Smashing Haymaker - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (45) Siphon Insight - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (45) Crushing Impact - Damage/Recharge
Level 41: Vengeance
  • (A) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff
  • (45) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge
Level 44: Char
  • (A) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold
  • (46) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (46) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (46) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (48) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
Level 47: Fire Blast
  • (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (48) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (48) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
  • (50) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
Level 49: Tough Hide
  • (A) Defense Buff IO
  • (50) Defense Buff IO
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 50: Cardiac Total Core Revamp
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Level 1: Brawl
  • (A) Empty
Level 1: Sprint
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Rest
  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Health
  • (A) Miracle - +Recovery
Level 2: Hurdle
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Stamina
  • (A) Endurance Modification IO
  • (11) Endurance Modification IO
  • (13) Endurance Modification IO


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Posted

Bass do you really not have single-target chan endo probs?

I modeled my FM/INV build on yours here, and I am having massive endurance issues with my single target chain. Made tons worse by including AOEs.

I am debating losing the F/C soft-cap as well.

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Dark Melee does have Dark Consumption. Not a huge boost with the way I have mine set up, but it still matters. My most costly single target attack, Midnight Grasp has a pretty good amount of Endurance Reduction in it. I don't know what kind of single target attack chain you're using, but that too might be + or - what I end up using for my attack chain of Siphon Life>Smite>Midnight Grasp>Smite.

I only have one AoE I can use often, you have two. I put a 6th slot in for Fireball with an Endurance Reduction IO. My build does have a little bit more of net Endurance gain.

I think it's a lot of small things adding up that make your experience with Endurance running out much more noticeable.

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Posted

Thought I'd throw in my plan build for my DM/Inv Brute.
Took a little different approach on this.... no hasten!!!
Using the Cardiac alpha, DP is about 13 seconds from perma. Not as much defense as you all have up there, but I'm thinking DN could help on my overall survivability.
Running Smite-MG-Smite-SL-Gloom

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No real reason...
just don't see the need for it

 

Posted

But you could have perma-Soul Drain in addition to your Fury!

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Posted

OK
Just throwing things out there....

Smite-Fire Blast-SL --- SL back every 2.64 seconds

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Why are you using Fire Blast? I thought Gloom was the only good APP/PPP blast, and we don't even get that one.

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