Tech Question, MB & Vid Card
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Posted on: 2010-04-20 10:46 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
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What model Gateway is it and what's the video card? or fix the links if you want...
(example: just say "Gateway DX4300" or whatever and Radeon 5870 or whatever)
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And I believe the answer is YES. It has onboard video, but does have a PCIe slot if you choose to use it.
OK, based on those re-posted links, the answer is:
Technically, Yes. But in all actual probability, No.
Reason:
PCI-E 2 is (almost always, there are a few custom card exceptions)
compatible with PCI-E 1 (x16) and that board does have a single x16 slot.
So, technically Yes.
However, that is a small motherboard (11.2 in x 10.5 in).
The GTX 260 is 10.5 inches long all by itself and needs a minimum of a 500 watt power supply.
Given how old that mb is, and the probable size of the case it's in and the power supply those Gateways usually come with (ie barely large enough for the package bought when it was new), I expect that:
1) The power supply is probably not going to be large enough to handle the load
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2) The card may not even fit in the case
But, as he didn't list anything other than MB and prospective card, I can't say for certain.
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Actually, I'll bet he has trouble. That's a BTX board. I doubt a double-wide video card will fit. The case likely lacks the extra back slot and the fan shroud will probably interfere with the CPU.
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Also all good points.
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Originally Posted by Soulwind
OK, based on those re-posted links, the answer is:
Technically, Yes. But in all actual probability, No. Reason: PCI-E 2 is (almost always, there are a few custom card exceptions) compatible with PCI-E 1 (x16) and that board does have a single x16 slot. So, technically Yes. However, that is a small motherboard (11.2 in x 10.5 in). The GTX 260 is 10.5 inches long all by itself and needs a minimum of a 500 watt power supply. Given how old that mb is, and the probable size of the case it's in and the power supply those Gateways usually come with (ie barely large enough for the package bought when it was new), I expect that: 1) The power supply is probably not going to be large enough to handle the load and 2) The card may not even fit in the case But, as he didn't list anything other than MB and prospective card, I can't say for certain. |
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I plan to snag a 650 W PS, and I plan to whip out the ruler for space considerations. But all that aside (big aside, I know) the card would function in that MB? Sounds like it, and that makes me happy :-) Thx folks.
BTX is a good point since first, there isn't a bracket spot for a double bracket videocard and second, that CPU/Heatsink is in the way for nearly all heatsinks found on double wide cards.
So PCIe V1 Vs PCIe V2, not a problem. Physically fit that card into your system, big problem.
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Would it work? Most likely if not optimally. But will it fit? Not likely at all. That card requires TWO slots in the rear of the case, one that lines up with the PCIE slot and another one that would sit right about where your PS/2 connectors are. And that's setting aside the interference your CPU will almost definitely cause. So do your measuring but don't spend any money unless you're dead certain it will go in. Because I'm about that certain it won't.
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Originally Posted by KhRaken
I plan to snag a 650 W PS, and I plan to whip out the ruler for space considerations. But all that aside (big aside, I know) the card would function in that MB? Sounds like it, and that makes me happy :-) Thx folks.
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It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.
BB, you were very right. The rear slots were the killer. So much for dreaming in Ultramode for me :-P Thanks All, for your pointers and advice.
(just took a peek at the Posi "Vid Card" thread. 700+ posts, huh? Hehe any of you folks happen to hear of a single bracket PCI x16 Vid Card that can handle Ultra?)
Oh, and one more piece of funny business; It took me so long to measure up for the vid card as I was waiting on a memory delivery for this hand-me-down I'm trying to spruce up. Long story short:
Windows Home 32 (as near as I can tell this supports 4 GB RAM)
MB supports 4 GB Ram
Plugged in 4 GB RAM (tested chips and slots individually, all work)
At boot up, BIOS sees 4 GB of RAM
Windows System Properties sees... 3 GB of RAM.
Am I 1) seeing a false read due to some sort of page swapping shenannigans? or 2) Is Windows not seeing that last Gig for some reason nobody ever told me about?
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A 32 bit operating system will only support up to 3 GB ram. If you want more you need to upgrade to a 64 bit OS. I ran into the same problem. I bought 2 2GB ram sticks and was only able to use one of them. The rest of my system is 64 bit and I will most likely upgrade to a 64 bit OS at some point but for now it works great.|
Originally Posted by KhRaken
Oh, and one more piece of funny business; It took me so long to measure up for the vid card as I was waiting on a memory delivery for this hand-me-down I'm trying to spruce up. Long story short:
Windows Home 32 (as near as I can tell this supports 4 GB RAM) MB supports 4 GB Ram Plugged in 4 GB RAM (tested chips and slots individually, all work) At boot up, BIOS sees 4 GB of RAM Windows System Properties sees... 3 GB of RAM. Am I 1) seeing a false read due to some sort of page swapping shenannigans? or 2) Is Windows not seeing that last Gig for some reason nobody ever told me about? |
edit: I just re-read your post and am I reading this right? Did you actually get the memory stick(s) to work but they only give you 3GB? I couldn't even put in the 2nd stick. My system wouldn't even boot if I did.
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I'm not disagreeing with you here, as I suspect there is some reason such as this causing it. I'm just not sure that's entirely correct though, as I have another puter that has XP Pro 32 bit and it's System Properties see the full 4 GB it has installed no prob. |
Originally Posted by GhoulSlayer
A 32 bit operating system will only support up to 3 GB ram. If you want more you need to upgrade to a 64 bit OS. I ran into the same problem. I bought 2 2GB ram sticks and was only able to use one of them. The rest of my system is 64 bit and I will most likely upgrade to a 64 bit OS at some point but for now it works great.
edit: I just re-read your post and am I reading this right? Did you actually get the memory stick(s) to work but they only give you 3GB? I couldn't even put in the 2nd stick. My system wouldn't even boot if I did. |
And yeah, you read it right, I checked all 4 chips and all 4 chip slots, and all function just fine. After the testing I installed all 4 chips simultaneously. I boot up no prob. My BIOS sees 4 GB. Only Windows XP Home sees 3 GB.
Oh, and it gets weirder. "System Information" under Accesories/System Tools lists "Total Physical Memory" as being 3.14 GB. Figure THAT one out :-P Stoopit computers.
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To be more specific, a 32-bit OS can address up to 4GB of memory. This does NOT mean it supports 4GB of RAM. You have to account for any other devices that have memory.|
Originally Posted by KhRaken
I'm not disagreeing with you here, as I suspect there is some reason such as this causing it. I'm just not sure that's entirely correct though, as I have another puter that has XP Pro 32 bit and it's System Properties see the full 4 GB it has installed no prob.
And yeah, you read it right, I checked all 4 chips and all 4 chip slots, and all function just fine. After the testing I installed all 4 chips simultaneously. I boot up no prob. My BIOS sees 4 GB. Only Windows XP Home sees 3 GB. Oh, and it gets weirder. "System Information" under Accesories/System Tools lists "Total Physical Memory" as being 3.14 GB. Figure THAT one out :-P Stoopit computers. |
In my case, I have 4GB RAM installed on my WinXP Pro system. I also have a 512MB video card. Even though BIOS detects 4GB RAM, the OS itself can only address 3.5GB after reading the size of the video card, and reports this value in the System Properties.
As for the "Total Physical Memory" being different, I don't see why that would happen. Even though it shows only 3.5GB in System Properties, it still reports the 4GB hardware.
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Originally Posted by GhoulSlayer
edit: I just re-read your post and am I reading this right? Did you actually get the memory stick(s) to work but they only give you 3GB? I couldn't even put in the 2nd stick. My system wouldn't even boot if I did.
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- one of them was damaged or not fully seated
- one of the MB slots is damaged
- the MB itself does not support it.
As said before, a 32-bit OS is limited to 4GB of address space. About the only way I could see such a system registering all or nearly all 4GB as available would be if the system had an integrated GPU with no memory of it's own. Since it would be borrowing from the system memory, the OS should thus be able to address the majority of the full 4GB, assuming the system was equipped with such. Regardless, your OS should know the 4GB is there, it just cannot make use of all of it.
It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.
Keep in mind, it's not the "available" memory I'm questioning. It's the System Properties, which should show a rounded value of actual physical memory (as my other computer does, 4 GB installed, 4 GB shows under "System Properties").
Also, using the "System Information" system tool, I should see Total Physical Memory = 4,096 MB, Available Physical Memory = whatever isn't being used by devices and Windows. I can't even come up with appropriate math for how Total Physical Memory = 3.14 Gig.
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As I mentioned above, the System Properties window shows a rounded value of how much RAM is addressed, not how much hardware you have. If your other system shows the full 4GB, then it's probably not being truncated by other hardware.|
Originally Posted by KhRaken
Keep in mind, it's not the "available" memory I'm questioning. It's the System Properties, which should show a rounded value of actual physical memory (as my other computer does, 4 GB installed, 4 GB shows under "System Properties").
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Originally Posted by KhRaken
Also, using the "System Information" system tool, I should see Total Physical Memory = 4,096 MB, Available Physical Memory = whatever isn't being used by devices and Windows. I can't even come up with appropriate math for how Total Physical Memory = 3.14 Gig.
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So if I'm reading this right I have 2GB ram and my GPU has 1 GB ram. I'm at the supported (not addressed which is 4GB) max for a 32 bit OS correct?|
Originally Posted by Master-Blade
To be more specific, a 32-bit OS can address up to 4GB of memory. This does NOT mean it supports 4GB of RAM. You have to account for any other devices that have memory.
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If the system wouldn't boot at all, I would guess either:
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Not exactly no, 32-bit OS's can address up to 4GB of memory. Any hardware you have in need of address space is assigned space at the 'end' of that 4GB. So your GPU's 1GB memory is given that 'fourth' GB of address space. Your 2GB of system memory gets the 'first' and 'second' GB of address space, and assuming no other hardware needs any, the remaining 'third' GB of address space basically goes unused. If you were to add another 1GB of memory or to add in a second 1GB video card for say, SLI/Crossfire, then that 'third' GB would get addressed.
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Originally Posted by GhoulSlayer
So if I'm reading this right I have 2GB ram and my GPU has 1 GB ram. I'm at the supported (not addressed which is 4GB) max for a 32 bit OS correct?
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It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.
Sorry for cross posting, but:
Hello all you Techie types. I'm bad at this stuff. Can anyone help me determine if this Motherboard will support this vid card?
MB
http://support.gateway.com/s//MOTHER...522163nv.shtml
Vid
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130434
If they do work together, anything tricky to look out for?
edit: fixed links