shield scrapper, possible to softcap defence?
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Posted on: 2010-04-07 09:08 in Everything about PvP
Soft cap and pvp don't really go together, there are to many buff and debuffs to take into consideration.
Get ranged as high as you possibly can. Get your melee in decent shape. For pvp I would try to take gc so you have as much debuff res as possible. Get your hp as high as you can to.
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Ok thanks, but have you actually seen anyone play a Shield scrapper that wasnt dead in 5 seconds flat in a zone? 
Im trying to decide whether its actually worth spending a few billion on a pvp build for it, or if it would be pointless to even try. Playing melee is gimped as it is in pvp, playing shield just makes it even more gimped, Im just curious about if theres a way to counter its gimpedness 
Quite a few. Starblade- on freedom does fairly well. There are a few others but the name elude me atm.
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Ok thank you, il message him in game thats all and ask for build advice.|
Originally Posted by ConFlict
Quite a few. Starblade- on freedom does fairly well. There are a few others but the name elude me atm.
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Just two more quick questions, im guessing against all odds would be one of those powers you skip in pvp because of detoggling? And how about One with the Shield? worth skipping or taking?
I would take aao. I just wouldn't freak out about keeping it toggled. OWTS is completely skippable, useful as an io mule at best. If you have room though take it.
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Ok I came up with a build focussed on ranged defence, thoughts/suggestions?
I really dont like the fact theres no super speed there, but i really couldnt think of a way to get it in without gimping myself, chose phase over it because for melee it seems more or less nessessary, bad move?
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.621
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Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Broad Sword
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Hack
Level 1: Deflection
Level 2: Battle Agility
Level 4: True Grit
Level 6: Build Up
Level 8: Swift
Level 10: Combat Jumping
Level 12: Active Defense
Level 14: Super Jump
Level 16: Health
Level 18: Kick
Level 20: Stamina
Level 22: Tough
Level 24: Weave
Level 26: Disembowel
Level 28: Grant Cover
Level 30: Stealth
Level 32: Head Splitter
Level 35: Invisibility
Level 38: Phase Shift
Level 41: Phalanx Fighting
Level 44: Focused Accuracy
Level 47: Physical Perfection
Level 49: Against All Odds
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Level 1: Brawl
Level 1: Sprint
Level 2: Rest
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 4: Ninja Run
Drop leaping or fighting before you drop ss. You need ss to really negate movement slows.
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Ok, if i dropped leaping, would temp powers help still to catch jumpers/fliers etc?|
Originally Posted by ConFlict
Drop leaping or fighting before you drop ss. You need ss to really negate movement slows.
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I dont really have a -fly -jump power since i took body mastery, and with the total endurence usage i would probably still need it even after sets with DR coming into play that was my issue with that and thats why I took jump.
Ive changed it now though, i do need tough and weave i think to stop me falling flat on my face.
No, you don't need tough and weave. You definitely need SS more. And without leaping, you will be extremely limited in your movement, so you need that too.
The solution is to drop fighting.
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I dunno man there is a huge difference (insanely noticable) between 48% def and 55% def...when I ran my spines/sr I was an easy kill at48 but one I shelled out the money for those expensive stuff I was alllottt harder to hit/kill the only things that could reliably hit me were bu+aim blasters, ss brutes and well built VEATs..55% def is soo important..I would drop leaping before I dropped fighting, and I would pick up webs...
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Originally Posted by Supermax
No, you don't need tough and weave. You definitely need SS more. And without leaping, you will be extremely limited in your movement, so you need that too.
The solution is to drop fighting. |
I kind of agree with nubby. Though either build is fine, I do run some ss only melee toons with webs. Very functional for zones. Oh and buy a fly pack. Which for some reason people have been raging on lately.
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If you have not invested heavily into building this yet, I would respectfully suggest you still reconsider investing into a defense-based toon, instead of a regen (if you want a scrapper) or a resists (if you want a brute or tank) toon. With the hit to elusivity, which I hope they restore some part of what they took away, I don't think we can rely on defense again, not yet.
I would strongly suggest you move over to a resists-based toon for brute or tank, and a regen for scrappers.
If you really want a defense based toon, I would suggest a)Ice, for its heal, its end drain power, defense debuffs resists, and hibernate. b) SR, and c) a NW (especially for GR) or Fort or a Bane, with preference for the NW and Fort over the other VEATS.
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Here's what I use for shield pvp. The defense isn't soft capped but it's high enough where most people miss a decent amount.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.621
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Level 50 Mutation Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Martial Arts
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Fitness
Ancillary Pool: Weapon Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Storm Kick
- (A) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (9) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
- (13) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
- (31) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (31) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
- (43) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (3) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (5) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
- (15) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (23) Karma - Knockback Protection
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (3) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
- (7) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (46) Karma - Knockback Protection
- (A) Resist Damage IO
- (5) Resist Damage IO
- (7) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
- (9) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
- (11) Healing IO
- (11) Healing IO
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
- (13) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (40) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
- (17) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
- (34) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
- (48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
- (48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
- (48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (A) Accuracy IO
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
- (15) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
- (17) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (43) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Jumping IO
- (19) Jumping IO
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (19) Miracle - +Recovery
- (33) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
- (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
- (21) Performance Shifter - EndMod
- (21) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
- (23) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy
- (A) Endurance Reduction IO
- (25) Resist Damage IO
- (25) Resist Damage IO
- (27) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
- (A) Mocking Beratement - Taunt
- (27) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge
- (29) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Range
- (33) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge/Range
- (33) Mocking Beratement - Recharge
- (36) Mocking Beratement - Accuracy/Recharge
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
- (29) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
- (A) Kismet - Accuracy +6%
- (A) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage
- (34) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance
- (34) Touch of Death - Damage/Recharge
- (39) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (40) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (40) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
- (36) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
- (36) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
- (37) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (37) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (37) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
- (A) Resist Damage IO
- (39) Resist Damage IO
- (A) Obliteration - Damage
- (42) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
- (42) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
- (42) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (43) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (45) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage
- (A) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge
- (45) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
- (45) Gravitational Anchor - Chance for Hold
- (46) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Recharge
- (46) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Endurance
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
- (50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (50) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
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Yar har, You don't need weave or tough for 55% def.|
Originally Posted by TrueDarkLord
I dunno man there is a huge difference (insanely noticable) between 48% def and 55% def...when I ran my spines/sr I was an easy kill at48 but one I shelled out the money for those expensive stuff I was alllottt harder to hit/kill the only things that could reliably hit me were bu+aim blasters, ss brutes and well built VEATs..55% def is soo important..I would drop leaping before I dropped fighting, and I would pick up webs...
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You aren't project3x too are you?
I wouldn't have soft capped defense your #1 focus. Think you'd be better focusing on HP and movement.
Seem's like Webnade is manditory for a melee...and Swift (to close fast thru surpression).
you gotta have Speed, Leaping, and Fitness..., so your choice between conceal/fighting/medicine for the forth pool :P (you can get 2 temp power phases)
I would definitly wait till next issue comes out. btw I dont pvp with melee's so feel free to ignore everything ive said.
something along these lines..
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.621
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Click this DataLink to open the build!
Level 50 Mutation Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Broad Sword
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Weapon Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Hack -- Empty(A), Empty(27), Empty(31), Empty(37), Empty(39), Empty(39)
Level 1: Deflection -- SW-Def/EndRdx(A), SW-Def/Rchg(5), SW-Def(7), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(7), TtmC'tng-ResDam(9), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(11)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- SW-Def/EndRdx(A), SW-Def/Rchg(3), SW-EndRdx/Rchg(3), Empty(5)
Level 4: True Grit -- TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam(40), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(43), Heal-I(43), Heal-I(43)
Level 6: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(39), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(40), Empty(40)
Level 8: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A), Jump-I(9)
Level 10: Active Defense -- EndRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- Jump-I(A), Jump-I(13), Empty(13), Empty(15)
Level 14: Super Jump -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(15), Jump(17), Jump(27), Jump(42)
Level 16: Hasten -- Empty(A), Empty(17)
Level 18: Super Speed -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(19), Run(19)
Level 20: Health -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(21), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(21), Mrcl-Rcvry+(23)
Level 22: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(23), P'Shift-End%(25), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(25)
Level 24: Against All Odds -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Phalanx Fighting -- Empty(A)
Level 28: Disembowel -- Empty(A), Empty(29), Empty(29), Empty(31), Empty(31), Empty(34)
Level 30: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 32: Head Splitter -- Empty(A), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(34), Empty(34)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Empty(A), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(37), Empty(37)
Level 38: [Empty]
Level 41: [Empty] -- Empty(A)
Level 44: Web Grenade -- GravAnch-Immob(A), GravAnch-Immob/Rchg(45), GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg(45), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg(45), GravAnch-Immob/EndRdx(46)
Level 47: [Empty] -- Empty(A)
Level 49: Targeting Drone -- GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(A), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(50), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(50), EndRdx-I(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 4: Ninja Run
perma jump is ---> /up 1
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Id take crippling axe kick over shield charge (for PvP), Id take would also build to get targeting drone. Why buikd for KB protection when u have 10000% res to it.
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Originally Posted by SkeetSkeet
Here's what I use for shield pvp. The defense isn't soft capped but it's high enough where most people miss a decent amount.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.621 http://www.cohplanner.com/ Click this DataLink to open the build! |
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I get a lot of mileage out of shield charge in pvp, more than I would from a fourth single target kick. It hits hard and is especially useful after a placate or against mm's. Obviously you can't really land it vs a moving target but I get a lot of opportunities to use it. Obliteration set bonuses aren't too shabby either. |
Originally Posted by Neeto
Id take crippling axe kick over shield charge (for PvP), Id take would also build to get targeting drone. Why buikd for KB protection when u have 10000% res to it.
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There are a couple powers I'd very much like to be able to fit in. Targeting drone is one of the, also grant cover for the added def debuff resist. Not sure what I'd give up t though. The only power that is kind of in the margins and not carrying significant set bonuses is 1wts, which itself is pretty useful for stretching out the hp when I start taking hits. Of course I may have to consider giving up some stuff I'm attached to anyway to restore some of the defense the i17 zephyr nerf is going to shave off.
On the knockback thing, does kb resist a factor in pvp at all? As I understand it, the only thing that matters is the magnitude of your kb protection vs the mag of the incoming kb. Active defense provides mag 10 protection. Most of the time I can count on having two of them stacked for 20. A few kb protection IOs boost that up to 36.
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KB resist is the reason most melees dont have to slot for kb protection. Look at Elec vs. Invul.|
Originally Posted by SkeetSkeet
On the knockback thing, does kb resist a factor in pvp at all? As I understand it, the only thing that matters is the magnitude of your kb protection vs the mag of the incoming kb. Active defense provides mag 10 protection. Most of the time I can count on having two of them stacked for 20. A few kb protection IOs boost that up to 36.
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Elec has a few points of kb protection but no resists, hence you must build for kb protection.
Invul, though it has similar kb protection has capped kb resist which negates all kb.
Any melee set with inherent kb protection is 100% immune to all kb.
Only exceptions are widow/fort and Kheldian dwarf form kb protections. They're bugged and get suppressed when you're mezzed.
Well, that's useful to know. I can free up a few slots.
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And despite multiple people filing bug reports on this during beta, is still unfixed.
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Originally Posted by Supermax
Any melee set with inherent kb protection is 100% immune to all kb.
Only exceptions are widow/fort and Kheldian dwarf form kb protections. They're bugged and get suppressed when you're mezzed. |
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hell to the no!!!! I 7-0 him 1v1 on a half built ill/therm using no inspiartions...it was funny
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Originally Posted by _Lith_
Yar har, You don't need weave or tough for 55% def.
You aren't project3x too are you? |
Isn't a /SR much better than /Shields for pvp?
To me it seems like /Shields has little to offer (a bit of res and maxhp) while SR has more defense (I know it gets DR'ed but you can achieve stupid levels of ranged for example) and Elude.
Just asking out of curiosity, I know very little of i13 pvp.
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Originally Posted by TrueDarkLord
hell to the no!!!! I 7-0 him 1v1 on a half built ill/therm using no inspiartions...it was funny
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7-0
on a therm vs melee
with no inspires
epic.
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Ive recently decided to start playing my BS/Shield scrapper again, I realise how useless this set seems to be in PvP at the minute, particularly without sets but what I want to know is, is it possible to softcap defence in PvP on it fully setted out despite DR?
If not is there any other particularly effective way to set it out or is it just one of those PvE only charecters?
I did search for anything related but all i found was a post regarding BS/Shield with 0 replies so lets hope I have a bit more luck. Im honestly expecting a reply of 'no its not possible' or something along those lines but I figured its worth a try.