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Originally Posted by Peterbilt
So what do you think makes for a hero?
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Gamewise we are limited in our ways to be heroic. CoH and CoV has the exact same missions. The end goals of them are however slight different.
While saving npc citizens in distress does feel like an small accomplishment there's no real meaning in doing it. If there were more random events like, there's 10 people trapped in a bus, the driver's fainted and the bus is now heading for the sea. If there was missions like this were we had to combine our powers and experience to stop the bus we would have more chance to play our part as special human beings with or without super powers.
I love to help lowbies. One of the great things when I started to play CoX was the dedication from veteran players to offer their aid for me. Now, I’m trying to contribute to this open minded thinking as much as possible by giving back to the community, run with sewer teams and so forth but I would like to refer this more to mentoring/having sidekicks then being heroic.
There’s one task in the game where I actually feel that I do a difference and that’s the ITF ’Cimeora’. You drive out the evil, reclaim the city for 100s of good citizens. Best TF in the game hands down! Not only because there's actually a real goal comparing to other TF's out there. I like it because it make me feel that I'm the hero that they have for so long been waiting for to liberate them.
Agreed on snipers. They all deserve to be arrested.
In reading over the many, and good, replies, I'm struck by the fact that so many of them are just how Gentlemen were expected to behave in Victorian times and after. Helping others, selfless. If they added a "coat over mud" emote we would be all set.
This server has tons of helpful people.
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Alrighty, this is a um segway/threadjack sort of...
In for fun/culture Marcian Tobay started a thread asking a reverse question sort of, and I have been drawn into it a couple times.
That Thread is titled "Is Evil defined by action intent both or neither?"
link to my post: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...&postcount=206
I will ask the same question here:
If killing one person saves the world, is that a world worth saving?
I stated clearly in that post what my intention was I believe.
Has the definition of Kill changed from what I posted?
The ensuing disscussion ... has me asking this question here.
Am I so off base and unconnected with society, do people really believe killing someone is a good deed?
Valor
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by Star Ranger 4 WIN LOSE OR DRAW, WE WILL FIGHT. WE ARE HEROES This is what we DO! |
Decide that this will be another day in which you Walk The Talk.
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Those guys are just a menace... Clearing them out, even for a short period, is definitley a public service. (I do it occasionally with Ash, who, when he was a younger, squishier toon sent to Founders by a cruel contact, got caught in a crossfire right in front of his mission door. *Not* fun. o_0 He considers beating up every sniper he sees now proper justice. XD)
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Originally Posted by Green_Eyed_Lady
Heh.
I have been taking out the snipers in FF and PI for years now. I have no idea how, when or why it started but I always announce in broadcast, "Another sniper taken down. Courtesy The Sisterhood." It' s just one of those silly things I do. I did it so much that now Liz does too.  |
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That's a great thread you linked to - thanks AV.
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Originally Posted by American_Valor
Alrighty, this is a um segway/threadjack sort of...
In for fun/culture Marcian Tobay started a thread asking a reverse question sort of, and I have been drawn into it a couple times. That Thread is titled "Is Evil defined by action intent both or neither?" link to my post: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...&postcount=206 I will ask the same question here: If killing one person saves the world, is that a world worth saving? I stated clearly in that post what my intention was I believe. Has the definition of Kill changed from what I posted? The ensuing disscussion ... has me asking this question here. Am I so off base and unconnected with society, do people really believe killing someone is a good deed? Valor |
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Originally Posted by American_Valor
If killing one person saves the world, is that a world worth saving?
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Christians believe it is.
But even if your not a believing Christian, would you damn everyone to save a single life? Lot in the story of Soddom and Gamora argued to save the city if he could find ever decreasing numbers of rightous men. A similar argument is presented here.
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I think the question " does killing 1 person to save a world make that a world worth saving " really comes down to a question of absolutes. In superheroic worlds, things are pretty black and white. The real world isn't so simple. Everyone wants to do the right thing. It's figuring it out that is tough.
If you knew, without doubt, that a child was going to grow up to be a Stalin or a Pol Pot, would you be justified in killing him? Any of thier victims would certainly say that you were.
It's really an unaswerable hypothetical. You could arrange the question however you like. What if it was Hitler? Seems like that might be ok. Well, what about Chamberlin or Franco? How about Ghandi or Nelson Mandella? You could always find someone who thinks blotting out someone else is a good idea.
I think a more interesting question is would you sacrifice your life or ask someone that you loved to sacrifice thier life to save a world? If they did would you want to live there?
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Originally Posted by DevilYouKnow
I think the question " does killing 1 person to save a world make that a world worth saving " really comes down to a question of absolutes. In superheroic worlds, things are pretty black and white. The real world isn't so simple. Everyone wants to do the right thing. It's figuring it out that is tough.
If you knew, without doubt, that a child was going to grow up to be a Stalin or a Pol Pot, would you be justified in killing him? Any of thier victims would certainly say that you were. It's really an unaswerable hypothetical. You could arrange the question however you like. What if it was Hitler? Seems like that might be ok. Well, what about Chamberlin or Franco? How about Ghandi or Nelson Mandella? You could always find someone who thinks blotting out someone else is a good idea. I think a more interesting question is would you sacrifice your life or ask someone that you loved to sacrifice thier life to save a world? If they did would you want to live there? |
But how much harder would it be to live in the world if it wasn't you who surrendered to save it but the person you loved. Think about it they save the world for you. How bitter sweet the life you have left would be. Would you try to make their sacrifice worth it. Would you try to make it the world worth saving they believe it was. That would be very hard.
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by Star Ranger 4 WIN LOSE OR DRAW, WE WILL FIGHT. WE ARE HEROES This is what we DO! |
Decide that this will be another day in which you Walk The Talk.
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Deliberately stayed away from religion. It changes lots of things when applied to the questions. And yes the story of Lot a prime example, then there is the story of Christ.|
Originally Posted by Peterbilt
Christians believe it is.
But even if your not a believing Christian, would you damn everyone to save a single life? Lot in the story of Soddom and Gamora argued to save the city if he could find ever decreasing numbers of rightous men. A similar argument is presented here. |
AV
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by Star Ranger 4 WIN LOSE OR DRAW, WE WILL FIGHT. WE ARE HEROES This is what we DO! |
Decide that this will be another day in which you Walk The Talk.
MA #14724 Operation: Discredit @American Valor
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Exactly. Sometimes living is harder than dying. The idea of living a lifetime filled with shattered dreams and desperate longings doomed to be unfulfilled is hard choice to make.|
Originally Posted by American_Valor
But how much harder would it be to live in the world if it wasn't you who surrendered to save it but the person you loved. Think about it they save the world for you. How bitter sweet the life you have left would be. Would you try to make their sacrifice worth it. Would you try to make it a world worth saving they believe it was That would be very hard.
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They sorta have a story like this in the game. If you read through the text for the Midnight Archivist Badge, read about the fight with Red Scare and how Numina sacrificed herself to save her love and the world.
Very effective and I bet few in the game know it.
So, as I am searching the forums and passing time I come upon this thread... Of course, leave it to me to jump right in (I'm usually the silent one... hehe)...
Being a hero is a state of mind...
I can't count the hours spent in The Hollows before the changes there that I spent on an empathy defender healing lowbies... (I already had my heal badges, but that is a community way to help with your own badges too...) and not forgetting the number of times I joined teams just to TP them through this zone to their missions and back to the gate as needed.
With the changes to the zone, it's not as bad as it used to be... but I am sure I could find someone to assist when I fly over 
So, what do we as heroes decide to do??? Instead of planning TF's and other team based functions... why don't we all team up and instead of seeking XP and INF... why don't we sweep the zones and HELP others as best we can? I can see the benefit of higher level toons sweeping in to 'save the day' of a new character to the game...
What about the HELP channel? I for one seldom see it used and could probably monitor it better or more often... Maybe we just need to look harder to do the right things...
That's my two cents... I'd be in for a team that does nothing other than flying/jumping/TPing through zones to assist others...
Heh.
I have been taking out the snipers in FF and PI for years now. I have no idea how, when or why it started but I always announce in broadcast, "Another sniper taken down. Courtesy The Sisterhood." It' s just one of those silly things I do. I did it so much that now Liz does too.