I thought people who were 60 month vets and had the Loyalty Badges got into closed beta...
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Posted on: 2010-03-03 15:11 in The Global Training Room Test Server
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Ok, let me rephrase it for you. Ctrl-F is the Find function. By trying to find the phrase "day one" in that post and not finding it, it indicates that nothing in that posts states that LP, Vets or HC Attendees would get into the closed Beta on day one.
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day one would be when the dev's put DS on test that day one and yes that will be the next time the above people will be able to get into a GR test.
will everyone get in i dont know im not a dev i hope that answers your question thx
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You mis-understood his statement. He's saying that, even if this *was* a beta that Loyalty program, Vet badges etc, would allow you access to (which I don't believe it is, as this is I17 CB, not GR CB), it wouldn't automatically mean that you get in on day one of that beta.|
Originally Posted by bzald
day one would be when the dev's put DS on test that day one and yes that will be the next time the above people will be able to get into a GR test.
will everyone get in i dont know im not a dev i hope that answers your question thx |
In other words, when GR goes into CB, your Loyalty prog/Vet Badge/Comicon status would gaurantee that you get in....at some point. It doesn't mean that you will definetely get access the moment the CB starts.
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your right there is some confusion first my part i was not sure why he was talking about day one but that makes sense. As far as his confusion i was not talking about the main CB for going rogue but.|
Originally Posted by Furio
You mis-understood his statement. He's saying that, even if this *was* a beta that Loyalty program, Vet badges etc, would allow you access to (which I don't believe it is, as this is I17 CB, not GR CB), it wouldn't automatically mean that you get in on day one of that beta.
In other words, when GR goes into CB, your Loyalty prog/Vet Badge/Comicon status would gaurantee that you get in....at some point. It doesn't mean that you will definetely get access the moment the CB starts. |
The CB for Demon Summoning which will be the next time that Loyalty prog/Vet Badge/Comicon status might get you a chance to play with demon summoning. as far as that yes demon summoning is part of going rogue and is part of CB going rogue as duel pistols did here http://boards.cityofheroes.com//showthread.php?t=208779 .
unless they changed it and it no longer part of going rogue.........but yea i can see why he though that i was talking as if I17 is part of GR but it is not.
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I think that the major source of confusion is that it appears that several game features that many people equate with Going Rogue are coming out ahead of the expansion release. Dual Pistols, Demon Summoning and Ultra mode are clearly tied to the Going Rogue expansion in Pos's opening keynote ----}
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SItM3OLqb5w
Ultra mode, in this video, as first described as "Going Rogue: Graphics Preview". The two new signature characters for Going Rogue are vehicles for introducing the two new powersets.
Do I understand the advantage in not unleashing all of these different components into closed beta at once? Certainly. Do I understand the confusion and, in some cases, consternation on the part of many "loyal" players who thought they might get into closed beta to test all of the aspects of the game introduced by "Going Rogue"? Absolutely. The breakdown here is in communication.
The devs very clearly spelled out what it takes to get into closed beta for Going Rogue. To then say that DP is pretty much "GR", and and "UM" is not "GR", and "DS" is not "GR" is inconsistent with the big picture that they laid out to describe "GR". There just needs to be some clarification about what is "powerset closed beta" vs. "i17 closed beta" vs. "GR closed beta".
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Originally Posted by Profanation
I think that the major source of confusion is that it appears that several game features that many people equate with Going Rogue are coming out ahead of the expansion release. Dual Pistols, Demon Summoning and Ultra mode are clearly tied to the Going Rogue expansion in Pos's opening keynote ----}
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SItM3OLqb5w Ultra mode, in this video, as first described as "Going Rogue: Graphics Preview". The two new signature characters for Going Rogue are vehicles for introducing the two new powersets. Do I understand the advantage in not unleashing all of these different components into closed beta at once? Certainly. Do I understand the confusion and, in some cases, consternation on the part of many "loyal" players who thought they might get into closed beta to test all of the aspects of the game introduced by "Going Rogue"? Absolutely. The breakdown here is in communication. The devs very clearly spelled out what it takes to get into closed beta for Going Rogue. To then say that DP is pretty much "GR", and and "UM" is not "GR", and "DS" is not "GR" is inconsistent with the big picture that they laid out to describe "GR". There just needs to be some clarification about what is "powerset closed beta" vs. "i17 closed beta" vs. "GR closed beta". |
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I wasn't confused on anything. Red Valkyrja commented that she had done a Ctrl-F on the post you linked to and could find no instances of "day one". Your post right after that quoted that part of her post and you said |
Originally Posted by bzald
your right there is some confusion first my part i was not sure why he was talking about day one but that makes sense. As far as his confusion i was not talking about the main CB for going rogue but.
The CB for Demon Summoning which will be the next time that Loyalty prog/Vet Badge/Comicon status might get you a chance to play with demon summoning. as far as that yes demon summoning is part of going rogue and is part of CB going rogue as duel pistols did here http://boards.cityofheroes.com//showthread.php?t=208779 . unless they changed it and it no longer part of going rogue.........but yea i can see why he though that i was talking as if I17 is part of GR but it is not. |
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Don't try to attribute confusion to me when there was none on my part. The only confusion was yours, evidenced by the wording in that post.
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1. The Devs announced that these people will be in some wave of Going Rogue Closed Beta (and they stressed waves, clearly emphasizing that these folks would not be in the Closed Beta from it's first day): HeroCon attendees; Loyalty award recipients; pre-ORDERers.
2. At around the same time (at HeroCon) they said there *might* be an interim issued with Ultra Mode and some other things they have ready. So, even then, they were disconnecting Ultra Mode from being a solely GR feature.
3. Since then, they changed things: They took two things that are definitely linked to GR (without buying GR, you will not have them!) and made them available early to pre-PURCHASErs. They also decided to go ahead with an interim issue, Issue 17 and to definitely make Ultra Mode part of Issue 17.
4. Before I17, they made Dual Pistols ready for pre-PURCHASErs. And so, they had a Closed Beta just for DP. They made a surprise decision: They gave the HeroCon attendees and Loyalty award recipients immediate access to the DP Closed Beta. They didn't have to. The only promised access to the GR CB. But since DP was part of GR and the only thing being tested, they invited them in.
5. Closed Beta for I17 started as soon as DP went Live and available to all the pre-PURCHASErs. Since this was a regular issue, the regular Closed Beta process was applied.
6.There's some question whether Demon Summoning is being tested along with I17. Even if it is, I17 is still a regular issue and the regular CB policies are in effect. One would presume that if Demon Summoning is going to be tested separately from I17, then they would let the Loyalty/HeroCon folk in immediately for that. But if it's combined with I17, then it would be unlikely all the Loyalty/HeroCon folk would be invited, especially not in the first waves. Huge numbers of folks testing a regular issue all at once is a very bad idea. It's been tried and failed. If Demon Summoning is part of I17, then the promise of being in GR Closed Beta doesn't apply simply because one element of GR has been moved into this issue. The promise for GR Closed Beta still stands and will happen.... for the full GR Closed Beta. There were no promises for pre-release Closed Betas.
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maybe reading zombie post right below yours will help you find your day one idk, but im done talking about something that really is not that important thank you texas justice.|
Originally Posted by Texas Justice
I wasn't confused on anything. Red Valkyrja commented that she had done a Ctrl-F on the post you linked to and could find no instances of "day one". Your post right after that quoted that part of her post and you said
My post was simply to clarify for you your own confusion. Don't try to attribute confusion to me when there was none on my part. The only confusion was yours, evidenced by the wording in that post. |
Note: nope that not a stab at you
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All TJ was trying to say was this: Just because you are in the loyalty program doesn't mean you will be in the GR beta the first day GR beta starts. All that the loyalty program means is that you will get in when they let you, but you are guaranteed to be in before open beta. That is all. I'm not sure how that was misunderstood, but everything anyone has said on the forums lately had been misunderstood.
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Originally Posted by bzald
maybe reading zombie post right below yours will help you find your day one idk, but im done talking about something that really is not that important thank you texas justice.
Note: nope that not a stab at you |
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Originally Posted by ZanderCross
All TJ was trying to say was this: Just because you are in the loyalty program doesn't mean you will be in the GR beta the first day GR beta starts. All that the loyalty program means is that you will get in when they let you, but you are guaranteed to be in before open beta. That is all. I'm not sure how that was misunderstood, but everything anyone has said on the forums lately had been misunderstood.
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a) DS powers playtest is the next time vets/pre-orders etc get a chance to play with something that is part of GR
b) as TJ said that does not MEAN that you will get to play test DS it just means that maybe you will
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No... You are assuming a precedent has been set. Just because the Devs let the Vet/Loyal/Comicon group into the CB for Dual Pistols, does not mean they have to let them into anything other than the GR CB. If DS is currently being tested in I17, they very well might let that group in, but it was not promised, and you can't assume they will follow what they did with DP.|
Originally Posted by bzald
hopefully this will work
a) DS powers playtest is the next time vets/pre-orders etc get a chance to play with something that is part of GR b) as TJ said that does not MEAN that you will get to play test DS it just means that maybe you will |
And you're misunderstanding (or at least it appears that way from your 2nd statement) what TJ is saying. Being a member of the Vet/Loyal/Comicon group means you *will* get into the GR CB. You will absolutely positively have access to the CB for GR before it goes into Open Beta. What may not happen is immediate, day one, the moment it shows up on Test Server, access.
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Originally Posted by bzald
hopefully this will work
a) DS powers playtest is the next time vets/pre-orders etc get a chance to play with something that is part of GR b) as TJ said that does not MEAN that you will get to play test DS it just means that maybe you will |
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Originally Posted by Furio
No... You are assuming a precedent has been set. Just because the Devs let the Vet/Loyal/Comicon group into the CB for Dual Pistols, does not mean they have to let them into anything other than the GR CB. If DS is currently being tested in I17, they very well might let that group in, but it was not promised, and you can't assume they will follow what they did with DP.
And you're misunderstanding (or at least it appears that way from your 2nd statement) what TJ is saying. Being a member of the Vet/Loyal/Comicon group means you *will* get into the GR CB. You will absolutely positively have access to the CB for GR before it goes into Open Beta. What may not happen is immediate, day one, the moment it shows up on Test Server, access. |
no, im not sure why can people not understand this Demon summoning IS PART OF GOING ROGUE period plz stop it. Second since it is part of going rogue anyone who is from the list has a chance to get it period STOP SAYING other wise.
as to your second point Since DS Comes out before GR and yet is part of GR then the people on that list gets a CHANCE TO TEST THAT period will they all get in no.
THEN WHEN GR BETA DROPS yes all the list gets in maybe not all at once. Im really getting tried of people not understanding just like duel pistols demon summoning is part of GR.
Now if im wrong i will eat my words AT MY misunderstanding while i REALLY really wish a dev would come on and set the record straight or a rep etc i really don't see that happening.
with any rate since this is going no where as in the dog is eating it tail im done with the thread thanks all.
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All they are saying is that there has been no official announcement that DS CB would get the same treatment as DP CB. That is it. It's a fact that there has been no official announcement. It is your speculation that DS CB will have the same treatment as DP CB. Again that is your speculation. |
Originally Posted by bzald
Im sorry if im short with you but it does get old seeing the same thing typed over and over again.
no, im not sure why can people not understand this Demon summoning IS PART OF GOING ROGUE period plz stop it. Second since it is part of going rogue anyone who is from the list has a chance to get it period STOP SAYING other wise. as to your second point Since DS Comes out before GR and yet is part of GR then the people on that list gets a CHANCE TO TEST THAT period will they all get in no. THEN WHEN GR BETA DROPS yes all the list gets in maybe not all at once. Im really getting tried of people not understanding just like duel pistols demon summoning is part of GR. Now if im wrong i will eat my words AT MY misunderstanding while i REALLY really wish a dev would come on and set the record straight or a rep etc i really don't see that happening. with any rate since this is going no where as in the dog is eating it tail im done with the thread thanks all. |
Unless you are in the CB and are breaking the NDA by telling us what's in it, (which has already happened once today) then you don't know for sure because there has been no official announcement. No offense meant friend, but all they were saying is basically, it is not official. That is all really.
Also, Furio never mentioned that he though DS was part of i17. He said IF DS was being tested with i17...etc. I'm not sure who you are implying on that part since you quoted your own post and his, when it is not mentioned that way in either.
Exactly. Everyone knows that DS is a part of GR. No one has said that it isn't. What has been said is that DS being tested along with I17 doesn't not make I17 CB into GR CB, as far as the V/L/H group automatically getting into I17 CB. It has yet to be determined if the group promised access to GR CB will get into I17 CB.
I really have no idea what Bzald's trying to say with his 3rd line.
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I thought the more recent news was that DS is now included as part of I17 (assuming, of course, that you have pre-purchased GR).
Quoting from the post regarding the GR pre-purchase....(linky HERE)....
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...it sounds as if both DS and DP are both actually part of GR meaning you have to purchase GR at some point to access them AND you get early access to them if you pre-purchase of GR.| When you prepurchase Going Rogue you'll get early access to both the Dual Pistols and the Demon Summoning power sets. Dual Pistols will be available immediately upon prepurchase, and Demon Summoning will come shortly thereafter with the launch of Issue 17. |
Regardless of all that, as has been previously stated, there have been no promises made regarding entrance into Closed Beta for DP, DS, or I17 (which now includes UM)....promises have only been made for the Closed Beta of GR (which will follow the tier structure for Friends & Family, Loyalty program, 60 month Vets, etc....etc...) Since the official Closed Beta for GR has not yet begun, nobody should make any assumptions as to their eligibility for any other Closed Betas.
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Here's another thread composed by Zandercross which goes into all this in much more detail. Go HERE to read it
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Yay! People use my thread! lol. Thanks for linking to it! It's nice to know people are using it lol
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Ok, let me rephrase it for you. Ctrl-F is the Find function. By trying to find the phrase "day one" in that post and not finding it, it indicates that nothing in that posts states that LP, Vets or HC Attendees would get into the closed Beta on day one.
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