You'll do less damage. If you're ok with that... there's not a lot else to talk about.
(I for one am not ok with doing less damage)
I gotta make pain. I gotta make things right. I gotta stop what's comin'. 'Least I gotta try.
You lose some DPS, but even more importantly, you lose your burst damage capability. That's pretty significant in normal play. You CAN make do without a build up power, but you'd better be getting a LOT in return for giving it up. Really really tight build?
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Not necessarily a tight build as much as it is a concept build.
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Originally Posted by Werner
You lose some DPS, but even more importantly, you lose your burst damage capability. That's pretty significant in normal play. You CAN make do without a build up power, but you'd better be getting a LOT in return for giving it up. Really really tight build?
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If you're into concept, and it just doesn't fit your concept, I'd say you can skip it. It's big, but overall it isn't set defining, gimp your scrapper without it big. You can still have a much better than average Scrapper if you know what you're doing.
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Originally Posted by Vitality
Not necessarily a tight build as much as it is a concept build.
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MA with no Focus Chi = Car with no gas pedal
MA with no Focus Chi = Electric guitar with no amplifier
MA with no Focus Chi = Decaffeinated coffee
I rest my case, Your Honor
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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I think better comparisons would be a jet plane without an afterburner, a car without a NO2 tank, etc. You're still going to be dealing damage, you're just not going to have the ability to create that burst spike for short periods. Those comparisons all suggest that you're not going to be dealing any damage at all without it, which is blatantly untrue.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
MA with no Focus Chi = Car with no gas pedal
MA with no Focus Chi = Electric guitar with no amplifier MA with no Focus Chi = Decaffeinated coffee I rest my case, Your Honor |
I don't have it on my toon , and i still do ok in the damage department
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Originally Posted by NovaFactor
I don't have it on my toon , and i still do ok in the damage department
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I would never settle for "ok" damage.
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Originally Posted by NovaFactor
I don't have it on my toon , and i still do ok in the damage department
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I gotta make pain. I gotta make things right. I gotta stop what's comin'. 'Least I gotta try.
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Except that taking Focus Chi isn't going to be the difference between "ok" and "omgwtfbbq!" Focus Chi and the other BU powers are most useful as powers to frontload or generate burst damage rather than actual attempts to increase overall damage. The effect that they have is only a little better than Assault when factored in over time, assuming you use them as soon as they recharge.|
Originally Posted by Shred_Monkey
I would never settle for "ok" damage.
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Not taking Focus Chi will not break your ability to deal damage. You'll still deal excellent damage, you just won't have the ability to spike it.
The biggest annoyance is going to be against high def targets, or something that debuffs your tohit.
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Originally Posted by Umbral
I think better comparisons would be a jet plane without an afterburner, a car without a NO2 tank, etc. You're still going to be dealing damage, you're just not going to have the ability to create that burst spike for short periods. Those comparisons all suggest that you're not going to be dealing any damage at all without it, which is blatantly untrue.
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It was intended to be humorous, not a serious comparison. Seems like you have "Sense of Humor" woefully underslotted.
That said, I'm actually contemplating a blaster build that skips Aim and Build Up, relying on fast recharging, fast activating attacks and Defiance to add damage. Coupled with the fact that I forget to use them all the time anyway it's not necessarily a bad move for my playstyle, which can be compared to a squirrel with ADHD and a serious sugar rush.
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My old build had Sense of Humor fully slotted, but I wasn't quite happy with it. I switched over to a build with Hate, Bile, and NerdRage fully slotted, and I'm liking it a lot more.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Not really. A car will still move at idle speed. An electric guitar will still make a sound, it just won't be as loud. And decaffeinated coffee......well, it's still a hot liquid I guess.
It was intended to be humorous, not a serious comparison. Seems like you have "Sense of Humor" woefully underslotted. |
One issue I think you have to consider is the context in which MA operates. With only Dragon tail as an AOE your role in groups tends to be a Lt/ Boss hunter as apposed to a minion muncher. Focus Chi becomes more important in that context as you frequently want burst damage for those types of opponents. That said, certain secondaries carry some AOE potential (dark, fire, shields, electric) and given these secondaries if your function is to handle minions; then Dragons tail shield charge etc all is likely to handle that role without build up easily.
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How ironic... that was funny.
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Originally Posted by Umbral
My old build had Sense of Humor fully slotted, but I wasn't quite happy with it. I switched over to a build with Hate, Bile, and NerdRage fully slotted, and I'm liking it a lot more.
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I gotta make pain. I gotta make things right. I gotta stop what's comin'. 'Least I gotta try.
Well my plan is to "re-create", if you will, my WP/SS Tank into a character that I have fun soloing.
In order for solo tanking to be challenging...challenging in the sense that if you just stand there, you could die...I have to move up my equivalent level, which makes my damage seem horribly low.
Basically what I want to know is this: MA/WP Scrap without Focus Chi compared to WP/SS Tank...in terms of damage.
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You'll probably miss footstomp. Other then that, the scrapper will do more damage. (rage, even double stacked, does not give tankers scrapper level of damage, despite what the tanker forum may trick themselves into believing).
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Originally Posted by Vitality
Well my plan is to "re-create", if you will, my WP/SS Tank into a character that I have fun soloing.
In order for solo tanking to be challenging...challenging in the sense that if you just stand there, you could die...I have to move up my equivalent level, which makes my damage seem horribly low. Basically what I want to know is this: MA/WP Scrap without Focus Chi compared to WP/SS Tank...in terms of damage. |
I gotta make pain. I gotta make things right. I gotta stop what's comin'. 'Least I gotta try.
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Yes I AM , and don't you forget it mister .......
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Originally Posted by Sailboat
Yeah, but you're Batman.
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I know I'll miss footstomp...and Rage for that matter...but I'm hoping Dragon's Tail will help me through it.
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Originally Posted by Shred_Monkey
You'll probably miss footstomp. Other then that, the scrapper will do more damage. (rage, even double stacked, does not give tankers scrapper level of damage, despite what the tanker forum may trick themselves into believing).
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Originally Posted by Vitality
I know I'll miss footstomp...and Rage for that matter...but I'm hoping Dragon's Tail will help me through it.
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To the OP question: Screw focus. Skip it and laugh, I never take any of that junk.
It's a dumb power in the late game, one more button to clicky. The additional damage is a sop, period. Pulse damage is only useful if you're scared of your target, in which case your defenses aren't good enough. (Caveat: May be useful on teams if a squishy is about to die. Maybe.)
If you want more damage, slot more stuff, period. Recharge is the key if you want damage. On a WP, you're much better served with Focused Accuracy and frankenslotting more recharge/damage.
My two cents.
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This is the only time I really 'miss' FC, or other build ups. My MA/Regen and MA/WP don't have it. My MA/Fire has FC and FE and a pile of global recharge for some rather impressive damage.
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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
The biggest annoyance is going to be against high def targets, or something that debuffs your tohit.
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They ALL float down here. When you're down here with us, you'll float too!
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i'll agree with the second and third comparisons, but not the first
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
MA with no Focus Chi = Car with no gas pedal
MA with no Focus Chi = Electric guitar with no amplifier MA with no Focus Chi = Decaffeinated coffee I rest my case, Your Honor |
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So this seals it folks.|
Originally Posted by Vitality
Not necessarily a tight build as much as it is a concept build.
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Concept=gimp ;p
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Your so wrong.
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Originally Posted by milehigh77
So this seals it folks.
Concept=gimp ;p |
Title says it all...
What are your thoughts?