end cost disparity defenders/corruptors/blasters
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-02-21 06:30 in Player Questions
The higher cost for Corruptors is because it does significantly more damage for them than for Blasters thanks to Scourge.
Blaster: 26.28 Smashing + 26.28 Energy
Corruptor: 20.85 Smashing + 20.85 Energy + 41.71 if Scourge kicks in
[base numbers at level 50] ie, Corruptors do 40.7 damage - 83.41 damage if Scourge kicks in. Blasters are stuck with 52.56 damage. Defenders get it worst, since it's in a secondary for them, they pay as much as Blasters but only get to do 30.36 total with it.
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Interesting, but then why don't the other tier 1 blasts follow this pattern?
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Originally Posted by JD_Gumby
The higher cost for Corruptors is because it does significantly more damage for them than for Blasters thanks to Scourge.
Blaster: 26.28 Smashing + 26.28 Energy Corruptor: 20.85 Smashing + 20.85 Energy + 41.71 if Scourge kicks in [base numbers at level 50] ie, Corruptors do 40.7 damage - 83.41 damage if Scourge kicks in. Blasters are stuck with 52.56 damage. Defenders get it worst, since it's in a secondary for them, they pay as much as Blasters but only get to do 30.36 total with it. |
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Because other tier 1 blasts don't have damage resistance debuff as their secondary effect.
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Originally Posted by Kahlan_
Interesting, but then why don't the other tier 1 blasts follow this pattern?
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Is this the official reason or are we just guessing? Because, to me, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Getting 'punished' for having an inherent that benefits you less than 50% of the time is kind of dubious.|
Originally Posted by JD_Gumby
The higher cost for Corruptors is because it does significantly more damage for them than for Blasters thanks to Scourge.
Blaster: 26.28 Smashing + 26.28 Energy Corruptor: 20.85 Smashing + 20.85 Energy + 41.71 if Scourge kicks in [base numbers at level 50] ie, Corruptors do 40.7 damage - 83.41 damage if Scourge kicks in. Blasters are stuck with 52.56 damage. Defenders get it worst, since it's in a secondary for them, they pay as much as Blasters but only get to do 30.36 total with it. |
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| Because other tier 1 blasts don't have damage resistance debuff as their secondary effect. |
@True Metal
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No, because all versions of that power don't have scourge attached to them.|
Originally Posted by TrueMetal
Since all versions of the power have that effect (defenders have an even higher %?), it's rather irrelevant, no?
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(Base damage + Scourge + Damage Resistance DeBuff) > (Base Damage + Damage Resistance DeBuff) thus Corruptor endurance cost > Defender or Blaster endurance cost. It's as simple as that.
It's all because of the COMBINATION of Scourge AND the debuff.
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Sorry, I don't buy it.|
Originally Posted by Westley
No, because all versions of that power don't have scourge attached to them.
(Base damage + Scourge + Damage Resistance DeBuff) > (Base Damage + Damage Resistance DeBuff) thus Corruptor endurance cost > Defender or Blaster endurance cost. It's as simple as that. It's all because of the COMBINATION of Scourge AND the debuff. |
The Blaster can still use that attack with defiance, and scourge is way too iffy to be reliable.
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Originally Posted by Fomsie
Sorry, I don't buy it.
The Blaster can still use that attack with defiance, and scourge is way too iffy to be reliable. |
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I agree with Lemur Lad's suggestion to bring it up with the developers.
As far as I know, there should be no difference in endurance costs between shared versions of defender/corruptor/blaster sets due to scourge. I did notice, however, that Blaster Shriek does -13% resist while Corruptor shriek does -15%. Don't think that's enough difference to justify it, though.
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That's due to the different archetype modifiers. Corruptors have higher buff/debuff modifiers than Blasters, and Defenders have even higher buff/debuff modifiers. Modifiers do not (should not) have any bearing on endurance cost.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Fenix
I did notice, however, that Blaster Shriek does -13% resist while Corruptor shriek does -15%.
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The only archetype that has an endurance difference should be Mastermind, to make up for their pets doing most of the damage, meaning the MM uses little to no endurance on dealing damage.
If there's a difference between identical powers on different ATs, it should be /bugged so it can be investigated.
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Defender Shriek Damage scale: 0.84
Blaster Shriek Damage scale: 0.84
Corruptor Shriek Damage scale: 1.00
Edit: Several of the Corruptor Sonic Attacks powers cost more endurance and use a higher damage scale than the Blaster and Defender versions. If I had to guess, it's to ensure that the difference between Defender and Corruptor Sonic Attacks looks better after the -Resistance takes effect.
The actual reason is that the Corruptor version has a higher damage scale than the Blaster and Defender version.
Here are the base damages at level 50:
C: 41.70
D: 30.36
B: 52.56
The AT have the following damage scales for ranged attackws:
C: 0.75
D: 0.65
B: 1.125
If we divide the damage by the damage scale to get the base damage this is:
C: 55.6
D: 46.7
B: 46.7
In general 55.6 is considered a damage scale of 1 so the Corruptor version has a damage scale of 1 while the other two have damage scales of 0.84. Now if you look at the other blast sets you'll notice that a damage scale of 1 is standard for an attack with a 4 second recharge while 0.84 would be standard for a 3 second recharge attack if any others existed.
So basically the Corruptor version of Shriek got a damage boost but had it's endurance rather than it's recharge increased to compensate.
There are two other cases of this that I'm aware of. The first is the Blaster version of Snap Shot which has a 0.84 damage scale instead of the 0.68 the Defender and Corruptor versions have. However in this case the devs didn't increase the endurance costs. The other is Radiation Blast for Blasters where the devs changed Neutrino Bolt and X-Ray Beam to be standard 4 and 8 second recharge attacks instead of the 1.5 and 4 second versions Defenders and Corruptors get.
EDIT: Darn beaten by Trickshooter
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Originally Posted by Trickshooter
Defender Shriek Damage scale: 0.84
Blaster Shriek Damage scale: 0.84 Corruptor Shriek Damage scale: 1.00 Edit: Several of the Corruptor Sonic Attacks powers cost more endurance and use a higher damage scale than the Blaster and Defender versions. If I had to guess, it's to ensure that the difference between Defender and Corruptor Sonic Attacks looks better after the -Resistance takes effect. |
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Alright, at least this reasoning makes sense.
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Originally Posted by Trickshooter
Defender Shriek Damage scale: 0.84
Blaster Shriek Damage scale: 0.84 Corruptor Shriek Damage scale: 1.00 Edit: Several of the Corruptor Sonic Attacks powers cost more endurance and use a higher damage scale than the Blaster and Defender versions. If I had to guess, it's to ensure that the difference between Defender and Corruptor Sonic Attacks looks better after the -Resistance takes effect. |
@True Metal
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Out of curiosity does anyone know why shriek costs more endurance for corruptors than defenders and blasters? (6.19 as opposed to 4.37)