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Both will unhide you, but only if they hit something. And they have fairly long activation times, so turning them on mid-combat leaves you open for a few seconds.|
Originally Posted by Fiftycalsniper
Okay-I *think* I already know the answer to this, but I thought I'd ask, just in case:
Is there any reason to take either Oppressive Gloom or Cloak of Fear for a stalker? Won't both pull you out of Hide? I see them as inherently skippable. Thoughts? |
On the other hand, they're just as good on a stalker as on any other AT that gets them. If you're willing to give up most or all of your crits, they can add a lot of survivability. Ultimately, it's up to you to decide if they're worth it.
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Basically, you're giving up your inherent for extra survivability. It'd be like a Brute giving up Fury for a bit stronger secondary.
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Originally Posted by Fiftycalsniper
Okay-I *think* I already know the answer to this, but I thought I'd ask, just in case:
Is there any reason to take either Oppressive Gloom or Cloak of Fear for a stalker? Won't both pull you out of Hide? I see them as inherently skippable. Thoughts? |
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Might be useful if you're scrapping on a big enough team. Otherwise... eh.
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You won't be giving up your crits. Stalkers crit out of hide also. They actually crit more often than scrappers do, and get a bonus to the percentage chance on larger teams. |
Originally Posted by Roderick
Both will unhide you, but only if they hit something. And they have fairly long activation times, so turning them on mid-combat leaves you open for a few seconds.
On the other hand, they're just as good on a stalker as on any other AT that gets them. If you're willing to give up most or all of your crits, they can add a lot of survivability. Ultimately, it's up to you to decide if they're worth it. |
And even in the OLD stalkers you wouldn't be giving up your crits with OGloom. Stalkers used to crit on targets that were mezzed, and I believe stun is one of the mezzes that counted.
Might be worth it on a Ninja Blade/DA stalker that is built for scrapping.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
You won't be giving up your crits. Stalkers crit out of hide also. They actually crit more often than scrappers do, and get a bonus to the percentage chance on larger teams.
And even in the OLD stalkers you wouldn't be giving up your crits with OGloom. Stalkers used to crit on targets that were mezzed, and I believe stun is one of the mezzes that counted. Might be worth it on a Ninja Blade/DA stalker that is built for scrapping. |
Yes, Stalkers can crit out of hide (base 10% chance, compared to the 5% or 15% Scrappers get depending on the power, plus I believe 3% extra for each teammate within range for a max of right around 31% chance). However, part of the appeal of a Stalker is the ability to control when you crit (especially on Assassin's Strike). As far as I'm concerned, Dark Armor is the worst Stalker secondary when it comes to meshing with what the AT is designed around (quickly eliminating single targets).
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Dark Armor has always been an unconventional set, though. You're going to have to play differently from the usual Stalker tactics to get the most out of it.
But it's probably worth it.
So then the opinions seem to jive with my play style. I went with dm/da, mainly attempting to maximize my to-hit debuff. I've played several dm characters, and I like that, after a few hits, the critters can't really get at me very well.
So then, with my playstyle, I'll be better off going for more to-hit debuff in my attacks, and going for faster attacks overall. That'll get me more of the mitigation effect that I want, while leaving me able to hide/placate/bu/AS after my initial AS.
Admittedly, I solo a lot-especially on this particular character. So this might not be a viable tactic on an 8-man team, with crap flying everywhere and constantly popping you out of Hide anyway. But it'll work for my playstyle.
Thanks for the confirmation info, people! :^)
Basically too many 50's to count, but I'm generally a brute/scrapper/tank kind of guy.
Sounds like you're getting the hang of it. With DA and DM, your best defence is a good offense.
If you slot Cloak of Fear with Siphon Insight (accurate to-hit debuff) it gets decent returns.
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I use Oppressive Gloom on my EM/Dark Stalker and I like it quite a bit. I tend to be a bit of a brawler with him so I find having the extras from a mob just stumbling around is kinda nice. I really became sold on the power while fighting Infernal on a 4 man team, with 3 friends faceplanted I ran OPG to keep his pets stunned and easy to heal off of and basically beat him by myself. I certainly do not run it constantly but I find it very handy. This was my first stalker that made it 50 after several attepts with different combinations so I am a big fan of /Dark on stalkers.
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Okay-I *think* I already know the answer to this, but I thought I'd ask, just in case:
Is there any reason to take either Oppressive Gloom or Cloak of Fear for a stalker? Won't both pull you out of Hide? I see them as inherently skippable. Thoughts?
Basically too many 50's to count, but I'm generally a brute/scrapper/tank kind of guy.