almost any defense based set is good with DA/parry because its extremely easy to soft cap melee/lethal defense
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And almost any resistance-based set is good because adding huge defense to huge resistance is a recipe for success.|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
almost any defense based set is good with DA/parry because its extremely easy to soft cap melee/lethal defense
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In other words, Broad Sword and Katana make EVERYTHING better.
Running the ITF a lot, you might want defense debuff resistance. That gives you Super Reflexes and top end Shield Defense. If you have the influence to blow, I'd go Shield Defense. Otherwise Super Reflexes. Thing is, Super Reflexes really only benefits from Parry while you're leveling. And Shield Defense doesn't benefit as much from it as some other secondaries.
So maybe Willpower. I kind of hate saying it, because we recommend Katana/Willpower for just about everything. But Iggy Kamakaze solo'd the ITF with Katana/Willpower, no temps, no inspirations and no deaths. Kind of hard to beat that.
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So Iggy soloed the ITF including the av's at the end using no inspirations, no temps, no accolades? Guess I need to see if he has a guide so I can take a look. Thanks for the info so far by the way.
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Originally Posted by Werner
So maybe Willpower. I kind of hate saying it, because we recommend Katana/Willpower for just about everything. But Iggy Kamakaze solo'd the ITF with Katana/Willpower, no temps, no inspirations and no deaths. Kind of hard to beat that.
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Yep, AVs, fluffies, the whole thing. It's, uh... kind of hard to believe, I know. I honestly can't get my head around it. But Iggy has made a habit of doing the impossible.
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Originally Posted by Werner
Yep, AVs, fluffies, the whole thing. It's, uh... kind of hard to believe, I know. I honestly can't get my head around it. But Iggy has made a habit of doing the impossible.
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I'd only be surprised if he did it super fast.
WP with the right IOs is made up of pure win! It's why I consider it the best Tanker Primary.
Shield will dish out better damage with high survival, no doubt. But where I've seen highly IOed out Shields fail, IOed out WP's kept going. But this is mostly because of WP's Regen.
Now DM/Shield maybe be an exception to this, so I have to state, while I've seen quite a few of them (DM/Sheilds), I've oddly enough not teamed with alot of them, and the ones I did team with, werent IO'ed out.
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Well, I suppose my surprise is because Willpower doesn't have much defense debuff protection. Katana/Willpower is a great combination, but against large crowds of Cimerorans? The evidence says it's much better than it sounds in my brain, but it still sounds icky in my brain. I went on one ITF with Werner. I was popping purles when I thought I needed them, and cascading defense failure still got me once, and that was on a team. Katana/Willpower IS a much better combination for the job. But THAT much better? Eh, it just boggles my mind. Obviously my preconceptions about what Katana/Willpower can do are wrong, but it still boggles my mind. 
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Katana/Broad Sword and Shield Defense?
I'm currently trying out Kat/ELA, have a few ELA Brutes and wanted to see how it fared with DA. A Damage Aura, Power Sink's endless Endo and Lightning reflexes make some of the builds i've worked out look really strong without being very expensive. But of course, ELA has no Debuff Resistance.
Mid's says WP gives Debuff Resistance, i suppose since Heightened Senses grants Defense bonuses it only makes sense it also give some resistance to losing it.
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Originally Posted by Werner
Well, I suppose my surprise is because Willpower doesn't have much defense debuff protection. Katana/Willpower is a great combination, but against large crowds of Cimerorans? The evidence says it's much better than it sounds in my brain, but it still sounds icky in my brain. I went on one ITF with Werner. I was popping purles when I thought I needed them, and cascading defense failure still got me once, and that was on a team. Katana/Willpower IS a much better combination for the job. But THAT much better? Eh, it just boggles my mind. Obviously my preconceptions about what Katana/Willpower can do are wrong, but it still boggles my mind.
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WP's Regen and Resists combined with the defenses, is what does it.
This is why I always suggest people take Tough/Weave with WP and SHIELDS (though I still consider Shield not as strong as WP, I do think it's the more enjoyable set, due to Shield Charge...well...I consider WP more fun, but for the general populace, I'd see SHIELD as more fun anyways).
They see what a really well made WP (or Shield) can do, but those who skip those two powers really lack in doing what they see, and wonder what they're doing wrong.
Not to mention WP has SoW, to back it up. If my WP/EM could handle tanking LR in the STF, with just a couple of skittles and nothing else, I can't see why a Katana/WP can't solo the ITF. Hmmm...wonder if a Fire/WP could do it.
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Hmmm...to add to this...I wonder if I can get my DARK/SONIC Defender to solo the ITF.
I was taking on 3 ambushes solo, in the second mission, and have no defense debuff resistance at all.
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Did he solo it set for 8 or set for 2 ? maybe not the large crowds.
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Originally Posted by Werner
Well, I suppose my surprise is because Willpower doesn't have much defense debuff protection. Katana/Willpower is a great combination, but against large crowds of Cimerorans? The evidence says it's much better than it sounds in my brain, but it still sounds icky in my brain. I went on one ITF with Werner. I was popping purles when I thought I needed them, and cascading defense failure still got me once, and that was on a team. Katana/Willpower IS a much better combination for the job. But THAT much better? Eh, it just boggles my mind. Obviously my preconceptions about what Katana/Willpower can do are wrong, but it still boggles my mind.
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I believe the mob sizes are at least the bare minimum that the ITF requires. ITF requires 6 peeps to start. I dont think even after people quit the itf (i believe 2 have to stay for the ITF not to autodisband), the the mob size will never fall below the 6-man team minimum.|
Originally Posted by Minotaur
Did he solo it set for 8 or set for 2 ? maybe not the large crowds.
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Sorry If i made that sound confusion, and I could be wrong, since its late and I should be in bed
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I think it may be the fact that with Divine Avalanche combined with set bonuses he is getting stupid high amounts of lethal defense. Every defense debuff in the ITF is Lethal based, if he's getting to 60% or higher on lethal defense he would be pretty safe from defense debuffs, since he would still be softcapped with up to 3 applied. The only way he would drop below softcap is if 4 or more debuffing attacks landed simultaneously, and the odds of that happening while softcapped are pretty slim.|
Originally Posted by Werner
Well, I suppose my surprise is because Willpower doesn't have much defense debuff protection. Katana/Willpower is a great combination, but against large crowds of Cimerorans? The evidence says it's much better than it sounds in my brain, but it still sounds icky in my brain. I went on one ITF with Werner. I was popping purles when I thought I needed them, and cascading defense failure still got me once, and that was on a team. Katana/Willpower IS a much better combination for the job. But THAT much better? Eh, it just boggles my mind. Obviously my preconceptions about what Katana/Willpower can do are wrong, but it still boggles my mind.
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I'm sure it took forever to finish the ITF that way, since stacking DA that much would hurt DPS, but he clearly did finish it, and that's my best guess as to how he got around the debuffs.
BrandX: Fire/WP probably wouldn't be able to do a solo Master ITF, because it lacks any way to get high amounts of lethal defense, but I see no reason why it couldn't solo a regular ITF.
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OK, that makes sense. Give yourself a lethal defense cushion, and your comparatively poor DDR will still make good use of that cushion.
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Unless the ITF is unique, this is not the case.|
Originally Posted by snake1313
I believe the mob sizes are at least the bare minimum that the ITF requires. ITF requires 6 peeps to start. I dont think even after people quit the itf (i believe 2 have to stay for the ITF not to autodisband), the the mob size will never fall below the 6-man team minimum.
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I regularly do Positrons set for 2 where the minimum to start is 3, and provided the extras quit TF rather than just log, the mob sizes adjust down. What you suggest was at one point the case, but there were complaints that when several people quit some long TFs a long way through they were then impossible or ridiculously slow to complete.
You are right that 2 have to stay on the TF.
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Like others had mentioned, it goes well with anything really but I probably wouldn't pair those with Shields or SR|
Originally Posted by snake1313
Basically I am interested in rolling up a BS/ or Katana/ and interested in what the best pairing would be for use with Parry/Divine Avalanche.
/Elec seemed interesting, but maybe /Wp would be just as nice if lots of melee or lethal/smashing defense is thrown in from sets. /Invuln of course has good defense when surrounded, lots of hp and a heal, and lots of s/l resist. I should add I do run the ITF and the Bm farm alot, maybe with a random TF thrown in for good measure. Which pairing do you guys think would match up the best for these occasions? |
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Originally Posted by snake1313
So Iggy soloed the ITF including the av's at the end using no inspirations, no temps, no accolades? Guess I need to see if he has a guide so I can take a look. Thanks for the info so far by the way.
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But I hope Mojo wouldn't mind...
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=135036
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Look at your build, my only thought is, if you concentrated on less Fire/Cold Defense, how well do you think it would do?
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
Like others had mentioned, it goes well with anything really but I probably wouldn't pair those with Shields or SR
I gotz me some bad English... so guides are out of the question But I hope Mojo wouldn't mind... http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=135036 |
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I think you guys are missing 1 big thing about that run...
I did mention this on the other thread... I was able to pull Rommy off the 3 nictus.
Kat/WP is nice... but better than Regen? I don't think so... My Kat/Regen runs just as well, my Kat/Fire is not far behind and I would still pick my BS/Inv to run the ITF on any team.
But I still believe it could be done without pulling. Using an agro cap of the 5th column to maxout RttC... haven't got a chance to try it that way though so I can't be sure.
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My build is not on that guide.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
Look at your build, my only thought is, if you concentrated on less Fire/Cold Defense, how well do you think it would do?
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The build I ran with had 36.6 f/c defense... so yes I really didn't put much effort on that end... The advantage I have on mine is that I can get to lethal/melee softcap with 1 application of DA.
Just something to add on Kat/WP
It is the only combo I have that could take down a Pylon with 2 spawns of RWZ challenge on top.
So I guess it's ways up compare to others in that situation
Basically I am interested in rolling up a BS/ or Katana/ and interested in what the best pairing would be for use with Parry/Divine Avalanche.
/Elec seemed interesting, but maybe /Wp would be just as nice if lots of melee or lethal/smashing defense is thrown in from sets. /Invuln of course has good defense when surrounded, lots of hp and a heal, and lots of s/l resist.
I should add I do run the ITF and the Bm farm alot, maybe with a random TF thrown in for good measure.
Which pairing do you guys think would match up the best for these occasions?