Brutes do about the same level damage as scrappers but only at about 90% fury and have a lot more hit points.
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Originally Posted by Santorican
Brutes do about the same level damage as scrappers but only at about 90% fury and have a lot more hit points.
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The bigger distinction between Brute and Scrapper is that they perform roughly the same solo but the Brute whoops the Scrapper's *** on teams because the Brute simply has better caps.
As to the OP, are you looking for something that'll be an unkillable beatstick in SOs or do you have several hundred million/a few billion to spend? Kat/WP is pretty hard to beat for survivability meets damage in the SO range while DM/SD, Fire/SD, and Elec/SD are all pretty much the kings of their respective domains (AV soloing, outright DPS, AoE damage, respectively) while being incredibly hard to kill, though they require a hefty investment.
This will be a character from 1 to 50. I wont be twinking in anyway. I will only spend the inf I get myself. I would prefer a toon on blueside. While I like my villains, blue side will always be my favorite. I would like something that is good out of the box but I may not be able to get that.
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Then I'm pretty much going to recommend Kat/WP or BS/WP. Kat and BS bring DA and Parry, respectively, which are going to combine with the impressive survivability of WP to make you pretty much unkillable, not to mention that both of them are a decent mix of ST and AoE damage. */WP is great because you get Quick Recovery, so you don't have to spend a lot of your early power picks on Fitness just to get Stamina at 20, and it's got an excellent mix of damage recovery and damage mitigation.
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Originally Posted by AllStar
I would like something that is good out of the box but I may not be able to get that.
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The good thing on large teams is that brutes can often get buffs that push their defenses / resistances to tanker levels. What rarely gets said however is that on those very same teams, fury becomes a very unreliable mechanic. With 7 corruptors + 1 brute or similar ratios, a brute can have a hard time building fury because stuff just dies via corruptor debuffs and AoEs. |
Originally Posted by Umbral
The bigger distinction between Brute and Scrapper is that they perform roughly the same solo but the Brute whoops the Scrapper's *** on teams because the Brute simply has better caps.
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On mixed teams it can be worse. I've seen a brute gnash their teeth in frustration after my fire/shield scrapper shield charged or FSC + fireball every mob. Worst yet, any mobs I missed, the fire blaster got. So I guess I sort of disagree that brutes do better...they can on some teams, but on high powered teams they can actually do quite a bit worse.
Back to the question posed by the OP: as Umbral suggested, Kat/WP or BS/WP are both very solid choices and are strong right out of the box.
Welcome back! You definitely picked the right time to come back with all the announcements made a day or so ago about the upcoming issue 17 and the GR expansion, oh, and free re-activation and double xp weekend to boot!
If you love blueside, like most of us do, and have played tanks but want a bit more damage and a faster pace but still be durable, then you've come to the right spot. You want a scrapper, and you might never play any other AT after this.
As suggested above, Broadsword and Katana are prime picks as they give you the ability to parry your way to more defense. And Willpower is a very easy and fast defense that offers the best of regen and recovery with some enhanceable defense that makes a very well rounded scrapper. As much as I shy away from flavors of the month though, if you want fun and powerful, it'll be hard to not pick a FM , ElM or DM / shield defense scrapper. Shields are great, shield charge is just THAT fun, and despite many who will tell you it's an expensive build to softcap defense, I say there are ways to do it cheap. There's no reason you couldn't level one up with SO's and cheaper sets, be softcapped by level 40, then respec and put in some of the more expensive sets later when you have the inf (which isn't that hard to make) and have a truely magical scrapper when your done.
At the end of the day though, you can't really go wrong with any choice, */* scrapper should be fun and you'll have a blast all the way to 50.
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It would be more correct to say that the Scrapper has more consistent performance while the Brute has better potential. On teams, a lot gets in the way of building fury - controls, other Brutes, Taunt and taunt auras drawing things off you, scrappers and blasters killing things too quickly for you, etc. and not every team has a kin and two sonics to cap your damage and resistances.
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Originally Posted by Umbral
The bigger distinction between Brute and Scrapper is that they perform roughly the same solo but the Brute whoops the Scrapper's *** on teams because the Brute simply has better caps.
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I will third the kat/wp. Great toon outta the box. One of the strongest toons ive made yet.
Id also mention dm/inv. Great survivability but its more single target damage.
At lvl 38 /sr comes into its own. Dont discount dm/sr either.
Really almost any scrapper pri/sec combo is full of win and you wont be disappointed with any of them.
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My favorite combo is Faceplant/DebtCap with the TeamWipe Ancillary
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Originally Posted by Dispari
Yeah, I like Blasters too.
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The only thing I have to add is that it is not difficult to amass a respectable amount of cash without going too far out of your way.
It's entirely possible to have a couple hundred million influence by level 50 just by playing and selling your drops. Don't have to farm, don't have to play the market, just play.
Katana or Broadsword/WP can be built into a beast on a slim budget without too much difficulty.
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And just to add to this, you can make a couple hundred million influence by level 10 with just a couple fool proof tricks I've learned from these boards. |
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
The only thing I have to add is that it is not difficult to amass a respectable amount of cash without going too far out of your way.
It's entirely possible to have a couple hundred million influence by level 50 just by playing and selling your drops. Don't have to farm, don't have to play the market, just play. |
*The first and easiest is large insp's, you get two for completing the tutorial. Buy one more and combine the three into whatever is cuurently selling for the highest amount at Wentworths. At the end of each night buy up the cheap large insps, and combine them all into the expensive ones and resell them.
*Once you're capable of running some AE missions, and there are quite a few of them that are easy and fun starting as low as level 5, farm you some tickets. With your tickets do the random 10-14 bronze recipe bag and get as many of those as you can. There are a number of recipes that drop in that range that you can either use, or craft and sell for 10-100mil a pop.
Elec/SD sound nice or Elec/Fire
great aoe + knockdown and SD can be soft cap easily enough so it has great survivability as well
Shield Defense and Willpower both sounds like fun. Which one would be the toughest with the least work? Willpower?
Now I have to figure out which primary 
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Aye, Willpower. Strong with just SOs. Shield defense requires some modest investment to get the same level of power, though with heavy investment shields becomes arguably the strongest scrapper secondary.
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Originally Posted by AllStar
Which one would be the toughest with the least work? Willpower?
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Yeah, willpower is a very good choice on just SOs. Shield takes quite a bit of investment to get up to willpower levels.
I agree with the others that kat or BS with willpower is a very good combination of toughness, ST, and AoE damage on a budget. With the way you don't need stamina with willpower, it frees up some extra power choices to take things like hasten or extra attacks to make up for the lesser recharge compared to an IO build. Or you can forgo epics to take stamina, tough, and weave, and become just about as hardy as a scrapper can get with just SOs. It works very well overall.
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Originally Posted by AllStar
Thank you all very much!
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No worries.
For the record, it doesn't really matter whether you take Katana or Broadsword to pair with Willpower. They are so close they are pretty much interchangable, the only real difference is Katana is slightly faster, while Broadsword does sightly more damage per hit, so it more or less evens out in the end.
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I have come back from a very long break and I would like to start another toon from scratch to try out all the changes. I have been reading the guides and the forums and Im even more confused than when I started.
what scrapper would I be looking for primary and secondary wise. I will be playing solo but when I have the time I will be grouping. If scrapper isnt the class for me by my description above could someone be so kind as point me in the right direction. Thank you for your time.
I would like to play the sturdiest class while doing great damage. Now I realize such a class would be op but what would get me the closest to this? I have played nothing but tankers hero side but from my reading I think scrapper would be my best bet.
In your alls professional opinion