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I didn't actually know that LOL. Yeah invisibility is a must have then.
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Originally Posted by Supermax
You don't seem to understand how invis works. It's unsuppressable. You can keep getting attacked, and you will stay fully invis.
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Glad to help. Especially if you combine it with a high defense power like MoG or shadow meld, it makes it very easy to get away without even needing to phase.
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Originally Posted by SoulTouch
^this. Rent please come back :'( or add my msn.
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gief then.
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Originally Posted by Frostigy
You left out sharks yo
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nope, didn't leave anything out
I lose out on kills every so often because I don't have Sharks, but between Invis, Phase, and Shadow Meld I'm almost never killed when I drop out of hide either (plus not having Sharks has meant I've needed to work more at getting an AS or TS off on a target).
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How do you do this? Do you use hover or flight and AS them that way from Invis?
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Originally Posted by Rent_
I use invis more than phase for evasion at the moment. Phase is used more for nubs standing on trops or something like that, thinking they're safe.
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It seems everywhere I've asked ppl tend to think EM/* is better than Elec/* Do you just like the -end more than the xtra dmg? Since you put Elec/Ea or Spines/Ea could DM/Ea be viable for its synergy?
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Originally Posted by black_barrier
arena? elec/nin, spines/nin. defense is good. elec/ea and spines/ea in certain situations.
zone? infinite budget: spines/regen, elec/regen, cheap: elec/wp, spines/wp. |
Elec is extra damage (Thunderstrike's double crit basically makes it into a second AS).
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Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
How do you do this? Do you use hover or flight and AS them that way from Invis?
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Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
It seems everywhere I've asked ppl tend to think EM/* is better than Elec/* Do you just like the -end more than the xtra dmg? Since you put Elec/Ea or Spines/Ea could DM/Ea be viable for its synergy?
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Thunder Strike is borken.
Its the same thing as trapping someone in a small room with barrier, and con... and mac... It may take a while, it looks like a carnival on crack BUT SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET HURT.
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lol no.|
Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
How do you do this? Do you use hover or flight and AS them that way from Invis?
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First off i said phase AS not Invis AS. Second you can't attack while in Invis.
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Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
It seems everywhere I've asked ppl tend to think EM/* is better than Elec/* Do you just like the -end more than the xtra dmg? Since you put Elec/Ea or Spines/Ea could DM/Ea be viable for its synergy?
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there is zero synergy between DM and EA in pvp.
you don't stand and fight on a stalker and if you do, you're an idiot.
DM is a suboptimal set as far as I know; but nevertheless, I'm working on IO'ing and Accolading a DM/SR myself (Screw you March. I hate your Grav/Kin.), but basically, it's just meant to AS and Shrak in team arena matches.
EM/* does not do more damage than Elec. Not in PVP. This isn't PVE. Go check real numbers and look around those before you post again. We are here to give you a bit of practical advice, asking about basic numbers just comes off as lazy.
Is 3 more than 4?
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
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only if you're dUmb
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Originally Posted by Slax
Is 3 more than 4?
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I'm curious how this works as well. Could you explain?
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Originally Posted by Rent_
Phase is used more for nubs standing on trops or something like that, thinking they're safe.
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Phase, run over to the guy, start up AS, drop phase just before the interrupt time finishes.
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It has a lot to do with your lag to the server. I've tried it, and it seems it's not possible with my lag. Then again, I find at times the server doesn't even allow me to activate any melee powers unless my target stands in 1 spot for like 10 seconds.
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Originally Posted by macskull
Phase, run over to the guy, start up AS, drop phase just before the interrupt time finishes.
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Ok. I can appreciate when someone tells it like it is; however I am not lazy and I did look at the numbers. I also asked around in the PvP sections for which is better and got EM as a Top dmg producer. I checked the numbers in game and in Mids for PvP, and EM is showing more damage. Here is the breakdown I am seeing, or as your obtuse, ball sucking, defender of black briar's ball sweat, lackey Snacks, oh sry Slax says, |
Originally Posted by black_barrier
what synergy?
there is zero synergy between DM and EA in pvp. you don't stand and fight on a stalker and if you do, you're an idiot. DM is a suboptimal set as far as I know; but nevertheless, I'm working on IO'ing and Accolading a DM/SR myself (Screw you March. I hate your Grav/Kin.), but basically, it's just meant to AS and Shrak in team arena matches. EM/* does not do more damage than Elec. Not in PVP. This isn't PVE. Go check real numbers and look around those before you post again. We are here to give you a bit of practical advice, asking about basic numbers just comes off as lazy. |
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Originally Posted by Slax
Is 3 more than 4?
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Elec Melee Mids/In Game
Havoc Punch 95/97
Jacob's Ladder 106/108
Chain Induction 93/94
Thunder Strike 194/195
(Numbers Rounded up)
EM Mids:
Bone Smasher 100/100
ET 228/228
TF 198/198
(Rounded up)
Looking at these numbers purely it looks like Elec Melee rings in with an average dmg @494 and EM @526. So, I'd say EM wins with just pure number assessment. Now I'm not a guru with real numbers after Arcana Time added, so I could be missing it; however, to justify calling someone lazy and not checking to see if they did do some research is . . .well . . .I'll just say, "hey Kettle"
If you are going by numbers alone, you will never get things right. For example, you listed two attacks in Elec that no one even takes on a PvP build, and you didn't even figure in damage enhancements or crits. Thunderstrike is better than any power in Energy Melee, including in some cases Assassin's Strike. Yes, it's that good. No, this isn't debatable.
EDIT: EM was good back when Energy Transfer had an activation time that didn't enable you to go AFK and make a sandwich and AS actually did damage, because you could almost kill someone in one shot with ET alone (provided you were running BU + reds), or AS + ET even without reds. Since that point it hasn't been all that wonderful.
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As said most of those attacks don't matter Ghost. As a stalker you pretty much have AS, Sharks and one big hitter (For when you are bad and can't land AS'es despite jamming the key to activate the power 1 foot away from the target only to get the "OUT OF RANGE" message)
What you didn't factor in for Thunder strike versus Total Focus or Energy transfer is crits.
ET doesn't Crit, at all.
Total Focus gets a partial crit.
Thunder strike gets a full crit with like a 50% for an extra packet of damage.
I think the real numbers are closer to :
TF - 504 from hide
ET - 455 from anywhere
TS - 770 from hide
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good job, you looked at the damage per attack but completely ignored the chance to crit section at the bottom of the real numbers dialog.
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Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
Ok. I can appreciate when someone tells it like it is; however I am not lazy and I did look at the numbers. I also asked around in the PvP sections for which is better and got EM as a Top dmg producer. I checked the numbers in game and in Mids for PvP, and EM is showing more damage. Here is the breakdown I am seeing, or as your obtuse, ball sucking, defender of black briar's ball sweat, lackey Snacks, oh sry Slax says,
: Elec Melee Mids/In Game Havoc Punch 95/97 Jacob's Ladder 106/108 Chain Induction 93/94 Thunder Strike 194/195 (Numbers Rounded up) EM Mids: Bone Smasher 100/100 ET 228/228 TF 198/198 (Rounded up) Looking at these numbers purely it looks like Elec Melee rings in with an average dmg @494 and EM @526. So, I'd say EM wins with just pure number assessment. Now I'm not a guru with real numbers after Arcana Time added, so I could be missing it; however, to justify calling someone lazy and not checking to see if they did do some research is . . .well . . .I'll just say, "hey Kettle" |
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I did disclaimer my post by saying I am no Guru and if I am MISSING something please let me know, which ya'll did. I was missing the Crit Factor; however, it still doesn't explain why some people posted EM as better than Elec in some posts I looked at. Now they might just be newbs like me, or perfer EM, I don't know, so I'll leave that in the "Who knows why, but they are wrong" category. Thanks for clearing things up for me, MAC and Black and MrLiberty. I have no problem being told I am wrong, I only have a problem when someone assumes something about my character without asking me? Maybe it has something to do with my years in the service, but never assume something about another individual unless you have proof to support assumption, or you've asked the individual. Now, my coutner to that is, have I ever assumed something, you bet. Do I try not to, absolutely, but we are all human and make mistakes. |
Originally Posted by black_barrier
good job, you looked at the damage per attack but completely ignored the chance to crit section at the bottom of the real numbers dialog.
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i bet you were reading -divine's posts on how em is better than spines.|
Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
I did disclaimer my post by saying I am no Guru and if I am MISSING something please let me know, which ya'll did. I was missing the Crit Factor; however, it still doesn't explain why some people posted EM as better than Elec in some posts I looked at. Now they might just be newbs like me, or perfer EM, I don't know, so I'll leave that in the "Who knows why, but they are wrong" category. Thanks for clearing things up for me, MAC and Black and MrLiberty. I have no problem being told I am wrong, I only have a problem when someone assumes something about my character without asking me? Maybe it has something to do with my years in the service, but never assume something about another individual unless you have proof to support assumption, or you've asked the individual. Now, my coutner to that is, have I ever assumed something, you bet. Do I try not to, absolutely, but we are all human and make mistakes.
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generally speaking, when he says something is good, it's not.
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Lol...probably so. He does say SR is good or at least serviceable in PvP. Not sure how, I did PM him about how, and haven't received a response back. So the jury is still out on that.
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Originally Posted by black_barrier
i bet you were reading -divine's posts on how em is better than spines.
generally speaking, when he says something is good, it's not. |
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