*ties pretty pink ribbons to puppeh*
snuggles kitty
as Ood Sigma said....We will sing to you, Doctor. The universe will sing you to your sleep. This song is ending. But the story never ends.
/e dances with Puppeh and hugs!
That's a mighty shiny new internets you have there. And Nice bows too!
And good Morning Sai! Ooh Im reading your blogspot. I understand maybe half of what you say. :P
/e sets out the Plastic Hamburger Squeeky toy for Cien.
Let us stifle under mud at the pond's edge
and affirm that it is fitting
and delicious to lose everything. ~ Donald Hall
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Is that a haiku?|
Originally Posted by Cien_Fuegos
comes in drive tru rookery pushes button and vehicle becomes dog house
undoes hankerchief put clothes back..kisses new internet snoopy dances to rook and hugs! |
Also, welcome back. Now maybe the Virtue TFs channel ingame will be moderated again.
Greetings and salutations everyone. I've been lurking for a while, but never posted in these threads before.
*saunters in*
Morning all
*Grabs his coffee*
Interesting article Je. Well researched. Of course the whole ammount of virus thing is one heck of a can of worms. There is a very good reason why Linux/OSX/BSD have less viruses and its not about security holes. *winks*
Defcon 0 - (D4 lvl 50),DJ Shecky Cape Radio
@Shecky
Twitter: @DJ_Shecky, @siliconshecky, @thecaperadio
When you air your dirty laundry out on a clothesline above the street, everyone is allowed to snicker at the skid marks in your underoos. - Lemur_Lad
Yay for rapid internets. Wb, Cien.
Morning all.
It's cause they use 'protection' right?
/e nods knowingly.
/e hums a little to the tune of "The Cat Came Back" while cleaning up dishes.
Oh and welcome welcome Dj Shecky and Twipper and Philly Guy!
Let us stifle under mud at the pond's edge
and affirm that it is fitting
and delicious to lose everything. ~ Donald Hall
Just because I"m a jerk at times and like debates:
http://siliconshecky.com/windows-7-is-a-crossgrade
Enjoy, and thanks to Saist for the inspiration.
Defcon 0 - (D4 lvl 50),DJ Shecky Cape Radio
@Shecky
Twitter: @DJ_Shecky, @siliconshecky, @thecaperadio
When you air your dirty laundry out on a clothesline above the street, everyone is allowed to snicker at the skid marks in your underoos. - Lemur_Lad
The Puppeh is baaaack! Hiya Puppeh!
*Wanders in pausing to pet the Neko plushie.*
Good morning...
PUPPEHRookySheckySaistPhillyGuyTwipper
Welcome Philly, nice to have ya aboard.
Heroes : Angrem (50 Stone tank), Exo Inferis (50 Fire blaster), Exo Proteus (50 ill/emp), IceVengance (50 cold defender)
Villains : AtomBomb (50 Rad/Kin corruptor), Aleks (50 SS/Inv brute), StoneLethal (50 EM/Stone brute), Davroz (50 Bots/Dark mastermind)
Thanks, Fedor. You might know me as @Project Flashfire from the ingame channel.
The commercial argument makes little sense Shecky. Banks, big companies mostly keep sensitive information on Unix boxes and big iron mainframes. The truth it hackers attack windows because it's easy to attack compared to Unix and OS390.
Edit : Hmm, have not seen that handle that I recall Philly, but sure I will see you around. My global is right in my sig there.
Heroes : Angrem (50 Stone tank), Exo Inferis (50 Fire blaster), Exo Proteus (50 ill/emp), IceVengance (50 cold defender)
Villains : AtomBomb (50 Rad/Kin corruptor), Aleks (50 SS/Inv brute), StoneLethal (50 EM/Stone brute), Davroz (50 Bots/Dark mastermind)
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Ok, Lets put it in this frame then: You can get more information more quickly by targeting the weak link in the process. So instead of a huge bank database (Which they have been hacked in recent times) here they can pick off people quickly and quietly. |
Originally Posted by Fedor
The commercial argument makes little sense Shecky. Banks, big companies mostly keep sensitive information on Unix boxes and big iron mainframes. The truth it hackers attack windows because it's easy to attack compared to Unix and OS390.
Edit : Hmm, have not seen that handle that I recall Philly, but sure I will see you around. My global is right in my sig there. |
Firefox has had more and more attacks and security flaws revealed as it has become more popular. Considering that virus writing is one part of a new mafia type system, it makes sense. Heck as OSX has gotten more popular, we have seen flaws show up there.
End users have always been and will always be the weakest point of security.
Defcon 0 - (D4 lvl 50),DJ Shecky Cape Radio
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When you air your dirty laundry out on a clothesline above the street, everyone is allowed to snicker at the skid marks in your underoos. - Lemur_Lad
But attack one end user and maybe you get some valuable information about one person. Attack a bank and you get THOUSANDS of people at once. The reason the end user is a soft attack target is bad security and windows is a primary reason for that.
For instance, if I run as admin on a windows box software can install WITHOUT ASKING. Unless you have vista then it pops up and asks which most people click away without even reading. (Not sure how 7 handles this.)
On OSX you have to log in the admin account, even while running as admin. Meaning a virus or malware cannot install without you entering a password to give it permission. And that is only one example of the security flaws in windows.
Heroes : Angrem (50 Stone tank), Exo Inferis (50 Fire blaster), Exo Proteus (50 ill/emp), IceVengance (50 cold defender)
Villains : AtomBomb (50 Rad/Kin corruptor), Aleks (50 SS/Inv brute), StoneLethal (50 EM/Stone brute), Davroz (50 Bots/Dark mastermind)
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And yet that same feature is true in Windows 7 also. |
Originally Posted by Fedor
But attack one end user and maybe you get some valuable information about one person. Attack a bank and you get THOUSANDS of people at once. The reason the end user is a soft attack target is bad security and windows is a primary reason for that.
For instance, if I run as admin on a windows box software can install WITHOUT ASKING. Unless you have vista then it pops up and asks which most people click away without even reading. (Not sure how 7 handles this.) On OSX you have to log in the admin account, even while running as admin. Meaning a virus or malware cannot install without you entering a password to give it permission. And that is only one example of the security flaws in windows. |
Now, add on the idea that software developers were requiring you to run their software as admin. http://arstechnica.com/security/news...rity-risks.ars
And yes you only get 1 at a time, but with the large botnets out there you can harvest thousands or millions at once.
Its all about the money.
Would you rather try to break through to a large bank or go rob a few smaller banks with no or little security for less per robbery but a larger net gain overall with less chance of detection?
Defcon 0 - (D4 lvl 50),DJ Shecky Cape Radio
@Shecky
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When you air your dirty laundry out on a clothesline above the street, everyone is allowed to snicker at the skid marks in your underoos. - Lemur_Lad
Right less chance of detection and easier attack routes because windows security is weak. For example, Apache.
This reasoning backfires when one considers that Apache is by far the most popular web server software on the Internet. According to the September 2004 Netcraft web site survey, [1] 68% of web sites run the Apache web server. Only 21% of web sites run Microsoft IIS. If security problems boil down to the simple fact that malicious hackers target the largest installed base, it follows that we should see more worms, viruses, and other malware targeting Apache and the underlying operating systems for Apache than for Windows and IIS. Furthermore, we should see more successful attacks against Apache than against IIS, since the implication of the myth is that the problem is one of numbers, not vulnerabilities.
Yet this is precisely the opposite of what we find, historically. IIS has long been the primary target for worms and other attacks, and these attacks have been largely successful. The Code Red worm that exploited a buffer overrun in an IIS service to gain control of the web servers infected some 300,000 servers, and the number of infections only stopped because the worm was deliberately written to stop spreading. Code Red.A had an even faster rate of infection, although it too self-terminated after three weeks. Another worm, IISWorm, had a limited impact only because the worm was badly written, not because IIS successfully protected itself.
(from http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10...x/#execsummary)
The simple truth is windows is more open to attack. I work in the industry, I see the articles and comparisons Shecky. microsoft has been hammering that market share drum as an excuse rather than taking the time to fix the problems.
Heroes : Angrem (50 Stone tank), Exo Inferis (50 Fire blaster), Exo Proteus (50 ill/emp), IceVengance (50 cold defender)
Villains : AtomBomb (50 Rad/Kin corruptor), Aleks (50 SS/Inv brute), StoneLethal (50 EM/Stone brute), Davroz (50 Bots/Dark mastermind)
*quietly sneaks in and replaces the Neko plush. Let's see if anyone notices*
SG Mate: Cien, what the hell is this Rookery thing?
RadDidIt: (interjecting) Dude. It's the Rookery.
SG Mate: Yeah, but what IS it?
RadDidIt: Silliness Incarnate.
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the problem with that article, just like many of the one's I've looked at while googling this debate, is the age of the article. Has technology not advanced since 2004?|
Originally Posted by Fedor
Right less chance of detection and easier attack routes because windows security is weak. For example, Apache.
This reasoning backfires when one considers that Apache is by far the most popular web server software on the Internet. According to the September 2004 Netcraft web site survey, [1] 68% of web sites run the Apache web server. Only 21% of web sites run Microsoft IIS. If security problems boil down to the simple fact that malicious hackers target the largest installed base, it follows that we should see more worms, viruses, and other malware targeting Apache and the underlying operating systems for Apache than for Windows and IIS. Furthermore, we should see more successful attacks against Apache than against IIS, since the implication of the myth is that the problem is one of numbers, not vulnerabilities. Yet this is precisely the opposite of what we find, historically. IIS has long been the primary target for worms and other attacks, and these attacks have been largely successful. The Code Red worm that exploited a buffer overrun in an IIS service to gain control of the web servers infected some 300,000 servers, and the number of infections only stopped because the worm was deliberately written to stop spreading. Code Red.A had an even faster rate of infection, although it too self-terminated after three weeks. Another worm, IISWorm, had a limited impact only because the worm was badly written, not because IIS successfully protected itself. (from http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10...x/#execsummary) The simple truth is windows is more open to attack. I work in the industry, I see the articles and comparisons Shecky. microsoft has been hammering that market share drum as an excuse rather than taking the time to fix the problems. |
Yes Apache is installed more than IIS. Is it more secure? That depends on whether it is set up properly and kept updated. Most attacks tend to go for the applications that are being run on IIS or Apache to reach the back end database structure anyway, where the real gold is kept.
What makes Linux more secure at this point is the speed of patching, and Microsoft is getting better at that also.
As I am a Network Engineer for a living, I do keep my finger on the pulse of what is going on also. I have watched over the last 10 years as things have changed throughout the industry. Is it perfect? Nope, but it never will be. Not for any OS out there.
Defcon 0 - (D4 lvl 50),DJ Shecky Cape Radio
@Shecky
Twitter: @DJ_Shecky, @siliconshecky, @thecaperadio
When you air your dirty laundry out on a clothesline above the street, everyone is allowed to snicker at the skid marks in your underoos. - Lemur_Lad
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*skritches the Neko*
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Originally Posted by NekoAli
*quietly sneaks in and replaces the Neko plush. Let's see if anyone notices*
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Defcon 0 - (D4 lvl 50),DJ Shecky Cape Radio
@Shecky
Twitter: @DJ_Shecky, @siliconshecky, @thecaperadio
When you air your dirty laundry out on a clothesline above the street, everyone is allowed to snicker at the skid marks in your underoos. - Lemur_Lad
*runz in and glompz everyone* 
G'mornin peeps!
~*~VexXxa~*~
The City Scoop Art Correspondent/Writer "ART IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER"//"Don't hate because VexXxa is HOT and you're NOT." - JOHNNYKAT
*Glomps VexXxa and then POUNCES the Neko!*
Hi Neko! Hey VexXxa!
So good to haz the kitteh back!
Heroes : Angrem (50 Stone tank), Exo Inferis (50 Fire blaster), Exo Proteus (50 ill/emp), IceVengance (50 cold defender)
Villains : AtomBomb (50 Rad/Kin corruptor), Aleks (50 SS/Inv brute), StoneLethal (50 EM/Stone brute), Davroz (50 Bots/Dark mastermind)
:comes in and cuddles both Neko and Puppy...giving them both treats. Welcome home for however long you guys will be staying...(grins)
Global is @Mellissandria
I don't have that much art, but I do write stories and I do collect art on
my DA account
*heads back to his FBBC*
So how is everyone today?
*PEts Puppeh*
Defcon 0 - (D4 lvl 50),DJ Shecky Cape Radio
@Shecky
Twitter: @DJ_Shecky, @siliconshecky, @thecaperadio
When you air your dirty laundry out on a clothesline above the street, everyone is allowed to snicker at the skid marks in your underoos. - Lemur_Lad
*heads back to his FBBC*
So how is everyone today?
*PEts Puppeh*
Defcon 0 - (D4 lvl 50),DJ Shecky Cape Radio
@Shecky
Twitter: @DJ_Shecky, @siliconshecky, @thecaperadio
When you air your dirty laundry out on a clothesline above the street, everyone is allowed to snicker at the skid marks in your underoos. - Lemur_Lad
Mornin', folks.
Welcome back, Neko.
Today I was late to class. And the vending machine ate my money, so no drink for me this morning 
Hopefully today gets better. I only have this 2 hour class, and Mass Effect 2 comes out today, and the EB Games opens at 11:00am, the same time I finish classes... will it be good? Well, only time will tell. I'd be installing it when I get home on my Xbox 360, and will need to free up some space so I can install it.
I'll have a good lunch, Edo from the food course in the same mall (which is like a min away via train, 5min walk)
ATs to 50 - TA/A Def, Nrg/Nrg Blaster, EM/EA Brute, WS,ELM/ELA Stalker
comes in drive tru rookery pushes button and vehicle becomes dog house
undoes hankerchief put clothes back..kisses new internet
snoopy dances to rook and hugs!
as Ood Sigma said....We will sing to you, Doctor. The universe will sing you to your sleep. This song is ending. But the story never ends.