What Items do I need to run 11 telepads?
By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-01-08 14:11 in Base Construction
Well the Supercomputer isn't as large as the Orbits of Control (its Arcane equivalent), and will fit in any control room except the Oversight Room. But you'll want room for more than just the Supercomputer (since you'll want a few auxiliaries), so I'd suggest not getting the 2x2 room and go for a 2x3 (Control Room 3, 145k Prestige), the 1x4 (Control Room 2, 130k Prestige) or any of the others that are larger than the 2x2. In a pinch, you could use the 2x2 room (Control Room 1, 100k Prestige) and just pile everything in like a cluttered closet.
As for the Turbine, a 2x2 (Energy Terminal 1, 100k Prestige) or any of the larger ones will fit it. The Turbine itself will take up most of two squares, so will fill half a 2x2 room. You shouldn't need any auxiliaries, since the Turbine provides sufficient Energy for your 11 Telepads, your Control items, Infirmary items and several other things on top of that. As an example, I have the Turbine in my SG base and it allows for the 11 Telepads, Supercomputer (plus 5 aux), 4 rez rings, Vault, base item crafting table, 8 Slow Fields and some defense turrets. And I still have some left over.
If you're doing it on the cheap, you should be able to just use a Secure plot and just double up on the basic mainframe and generator, 2 of each, with a handful of auxiliary units.
I've got 5 telepads in one base right now with this set-up, with a reclaimator, vault, and a half dozen power hungry Slow Fields as well. Barely using half of the available power and control.
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Thanks for the Info, if they can fit in a 2x2 room, I am good since these rooms will be moved off to side and likely never entered. I am trying to get the smallest possible base with 11 transporters. |
Originally Posted by Pyber
Well the Supercomputer isn't as large as the Orbits of Control (its Arcane equivalent), and will fit in any control room except the Oversight Room. But you'll want room for more than just the Supercomputer (since you'll want a few auxiliaries), so I'd suggest not getting the 2x2 room and go for a 2x3 (Control Room 3, 145k Prestige), the 1x4 (Control Room 2, 130k Prestige) or any of the others that are larger than the 2x2. In a pinch, you could use the 2x2 room (Control Room 1, 100k Prestige) and just pile everything in like a cluttered closet.
As for the Turbine, a 2x2 (Energy Terminal 1, 100k Prestige) or any of the larger ones will fit it. The Turbine itself will take up most of two squares, so will fill half a 2x2 room. You shouldn't need any auxiliaries, since the Turbine provides sufficient Energy for your 11 Telepads, your Control items, Infirmary items and several other things on top of that. As an example, I have the Turbine in my SG base and it allows for the 11 Telepads, Supercomputer (plus 5 aux), 4 rez rings, Vault, base item crafting table, 8 Slow Fields and some defense turrets. And I still have some left over. |
Looks like I do an 8x8 with 8 transporters and expand it to an 8x12 minimal reorganization. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Pyber
In a pinch, you could use the 2x2 room (Control Room 1, 100k Prestige) and just pile everything in like a cluttered closet.
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We have two Orbits of Control in our control room, partially overlapping. It looks really cool (and I don't care for the fact that the tier 3 control sticks to the ceiling).
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You can actually run it with just a basic generator and a circuit breakers (although you'll be very short on power even if you add a second circuit breaker).
11 Teleporters (50 power, 25 control)
22 Beacons (5 control)
Supercomputer (500 power, generates 500 control)
Basic Generator (generates 1000 power)
Circuit Breaker (generates 150 power)
This consumes 1050 power and 385 control while generating 1150 power and 500 control. You've even got enough power and control spare to add basic medical facilities, vault access and a Pillar of Ice and Flame. You can also add a second circuit breaker for a little more flexibility although for anything else you'll need a turbine.
With this setup:
11 Telepads
22 Beacons
1 Basic Generator
2 Mainframes
18 Terminals
You use 830 out of 1000 energy produced, and 275 out of 280 control produced, leaving 170 energy and 5 control leftover. This costs 665000 prestige total.
Terminals are used as the most efficient non-crafted Control auxiliaries.
If you can craft 9 Monitor Banks, the most efficient of the crafted control auxiliaries, you can save 90 energy but the Prestige cost is the same plus you have to get the salvage to craft them. Alternately craft more (or buy terminals) to fill the other 9 Control Aux slots, so you have additional control to run other stuff. Basic Reclaimators, for example, need 50 energy and 25 control each.
Compare to buying a Supercomputer, which costs 500,000 prestige all by iteslf.
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The problem is that you need a secure base plot if you want two mainframes. That costs a minimum of 722,000 prestige. Additionally while Mega monitors are the most efficient axillary they cost 200,000 each so once you get more than 2 a Supercomputer is cheaper and more importantly they can't be hooked up to a Mainframe, you need a Supercomputer or better (at least this was the case last time I checked which was admittedly sometime ago).|
Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
With this setup:
11 Telepads 22 Beacons 1 Basic Generator 2 Mainframes 18 Terminals You use 830 out of 1000 energy produced, and 275 out of 280 control produced, leaving 170 energy and 5 control leftover. This costs 665000 prestige total. Terminals are used as the most efficient non-crafted Control auxiliaries. If you can craft 9 Monitor Banks, the most efficient of the crafted control auxiliaries, you can save 90 energy but the Prestige cost is the same plus you have to get the salvage to craft them. Alternately craft more (or buy terminals) to fill the other 9 Control Aux slots, so you have additional control to run other stuff. Basic Reclaimators, for example, need 50 energy and 25 control each. Compare to buying a Supercomputer, which costs 500,000 prestige all by iteslf. |
Finally your math is wrong. Each teleport beacon require 5 control so for 11 teleporters and 22 beacons you need 385 control.
Argh. Last time I try and do math at 2 inna morning.
You are correct about the secure plot. I apologize, it didn't occur to me as the last time I changed plots I was already at the same size as the smallest Secure plot and as such didn't have to pay extra to make it Secure.
I was referring to the Monitor Banks, not the Mega Monitor. Those are 20,000 each. And can be attached to Mainframes.
Also, if you can fit an Oversight room, get the Combo energy/control unit. It is the absolute best bang for your buck at 125 energy and 75 control produced for only 25000 prestige, and it does NOT occupy Energy or Control slots. Since the Oversight room is also the cheapest 3x3 room in the editor, it's likely many folks will have one of those anyhow.
Really, no matter what you do it's 1000 Prestige per point of Control. You will spend 385,000 Prestige in some combination of control items to cover the requirements of 22 beacons and 11 telepads.
The only possible 'savings' is getting the aforementioned Combo unit, which saves you 50,000 Prestige off that total. However, this can be difficult to fit in the smallest base plot, as fitting in 11 telepads is already going to take up 2/3rds or more of the 8x8 space.
Energy isn't an issue since the basic generator produces so much by itself.
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Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
I was referring to the Monitor Banks, not the Mega Monitor. Those are 20,000 each. And can be attached to Mainframes.
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Also, if you can fit an Oversight room, get the Combo energy/control unit. It is the absolute best bang for your buck at 125 energy and 75 control produced for only 25000 prestige, and it does NOT occupy Energy or Control slots. Since the Oversight room is also the cheapest 3x3 room in the editor, it's likely many folks will have one of those anyhow. Really, no matter what you do it's 1000 Prestige per point of Control. You will spend 385,000 Prestige in some combination of control items to cover the requirements of 22 beacons and 11 telepads. The only possible 'savings' is getting the aforementioned Combo unit, which saves you 50,000 Prestige off that total. However, this can be difficult to fit in the smallest base plot, as fitting in 11 telepads is already going to take up 2/3rds or more of the 8x8 space. |
To control all the teleporters with a mainframe and auxiliaries you have to put in a larger control room. The smallest room that can house 9 auxiliaries is the Secure Control Room which costs 159,000 and is 2x3. So the savings on 385 control is only 56,000. Additionally this uses more power (since you have to use Databases which are inefficient) and produces no excess control.
Finally using the 2x2 control room allows you to fit all 11 teleporters on the smallest plot size (with no medical or workshop facilities) or 8 teleporters with basic medical and workshop facilities.
The oversight center is similar problematic both in terms of plot size and cost. Sure the room itself is cheap, but it takes up a huge amount of room for the benefit that it gives and on a small plot it ends up costing you a lot in terms of using space efficiently since it's an inconvenient size. Even if you use it as your workshop it's still pretty big for what you get.
EDIT: Ok, taking the example above, smallest plot size, 8 teleporters, workshop and medical facilities. Using the Oversight center and a 1x4 control room would cost you 3.5 teleporters (you build 5 but one can only have a single location). You'd also lose a lot of workshop functionality (less storage and no empowerment station). It is cheaper, but that's largely because you don't have as much stuff to buy. You're paying more for your teleporters on a per location basis since you have to use the 3x4 room and the 1x2 room which are significantly more expensive per location than the 2x2 and 5x5 rooms.
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I am trying to configure a base to eventually hold 11 telepads and have a couple questions. Only will have infirmary and Vault for other power drains.
What is a good (as in cheapest) energy control combination to run all this? and what rooms do I need to hold the control and energy items?
I found the stats for the energy output and control conversion, but could not find any where that states what size room is need to hold the Supercomputer, Turbine and needed auxiliaries. I plan to put these rooms pretty much out of sight so I just need it to fit, not necessarily look good.
I initially was going to have a basic 8x8 pad, but prestige is coming in faster than I expected.