Sounds fun, but just one question:
Will there be any consideration given to the location of the pylon while fighting it? Some of them are in tougher spots than others, or are surrounded by cover in some way while others are in the open? I'm not sure if it's gonna matter much, but if it does I'm just bringing it up to cover that base.
Edit: after re-reading the rules, it seems that Pylon 17 will be the only target. Are we assuming it will respawn between fights? I've never tried to solo or duo a pylon, so I've got no clue how tough it might be or how long it should take.
Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
It will be Pylon 17 for everyone. So equal opportunity pylon aggro.
I can't remember for sure, but don't the pylons have something like a 30 minute respawn time? Might make it problematic to have everyone take out the same one.
You could do all of the Pylons, just have the envigilator go with each participant to their pylon.
To account for increased risk you could skip the pylons right by the base of the Mothership as those are the ones that have roaming 54 EBs and spawns by them.
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Originally Posted by Silas
You could do all of the Pylons, just have the envigilator go with each participant to their pylon.
To account for increased risk you could skip the pylons right by the base of the Mothership as those are the ones that have roaming 54 EBs and spawns by them. |
Ok didn't know about the 30 min respawn timer. So yes we will be moving around and will avoid the ones with the 54 EB's indeed.
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Originally Posted by CriticalKat
Ok didn't know about the 30 min respawn timer. So yes we will be moving around and will avoid the ones with the 54 EB's indeed.
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As for during the event, I'd think almost all of the pylons would be fine, assuming it'll be primarily 50s competing, only the pylons in the NE corner have 54 stuff around them (iirc) and there's a fair amount of space to work in.
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Might I suggest you amend the rules to say
"Only tier 1 inspirations, no red inspirations."
Because while purples, blues, and greens might well be necessary,
Reds effect different ATs differently.
My main complaint here is for brutes.
Most of their damage comes from their rage, so a +25% doesn't really help them much. 4 small reds only give them +25% dps, and even 8 only adds 67%. Compare to (most) blasters or scrappers whom these would double and triple their dps.
Similar versions of this argument remain true for /dark and /shield scrappers (and tanks), masterminds, and (theoretically) trollers who get most of their damage out of their pets. (Who would likely be the second on a team, not the primary, but still, it could happen)
Now, if that's what you were going for ("bring out your two best scrappers (or scrapper/blaster, or one of the two and a severe debuffer) to see who can down a Rikti Pylon!"), Awesome! But I think that removing reds might open up the field to a bit more competition.
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Every AT has strengths and weaknesses. Eliminating an inspiration of some type would effect each one differently. This competition is set up almost exactly like my AV competition was and surprisingly the team builds that competed in that were everything but what people thought they were going to be. I had more squishys competing than anything. I did have some scrapper and scrapper/tank combos compete. I actually expected to see a lot of blaster/emp or therm or cold combos. NOpe.|
Originally Posted by Mary Deluce
Might I suggest you amend the rules to say
"Only tier 1 inspirations, no red inspirations." Because while purples, blues, and greens might well be necessary, Reds effect different ATs differently. My main complaint here is for brutes. Most of their damage comes from their rage, so a +25% doesn't really help them much. 4 small reds only give them +25% dps, and even 8 only adds 67%. Compare to (most) blasters or scrappers whom these would double and triple their dps. Similar versions of this argument remain true for /dark and /shield scrappers (and tanks), masterminds, and (theoretically) trollers who get most of their damage out of their pets. (Who would likely be the second on a team, not the primary, but still, it could happen) Now, if that's what you were going for ("bring out your two best scrappers (or scrapper/blaster, or one of the two and a severe debuffer) to see who can down a Rikti Pylon!"), Awesome! But I think that removing reds might open up the field to a bit more competition. |
The biggest thing for me is I am against eliminating anything that comes naturally with a character. I don't like to eliminate AT's either because I want everyone to be able to play. Inspirations, powers and enhancments are just part of the game. I think challenges should allow people to use those things. "Extra" crap that everyone doesn't have equal access to should not be allowed.
Okies.
'twas just a thought.
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Originally Posted by Mary Deluce
Might I suggest you amend the rules to say
"Only tier 1 inspirations, no red inspirations." Because while purples, blues, and greens might well be necessary, Reds effect different ATs differently. My main complaint here is for brutes. Most of their damage comes from their rage, so a +25% doesn't really help them much. 4 small reds only give them +25% dps, and even 8 only adds 67%. Compare to (most) blasters or scrappers whom these would double and triple their dps. Similar versions of this argument remain true for /dark and /shield scrappers (and tanks), masterminds, and (theoretically) trollers who get most of their damage out of their pets. (Who would likely be the second on a team, not the primary, but still, it could happen) Now, if that's what you were going for ("bring out your two best scrappers (or scrapper/blaster, or one of the two and a severe debuffer) to see who can down a Rikti Pylon!"), Awesome! But I think that removing reds might open up the field to a bit more competition. |
Not that it really matters. Nearly any defender, controller, or corrupter with a -regen debuff will beat any melee toon in this competition, 'specially if said debuffer also has resistance debuffs (not sure about MMs). I think the only way for a melee toon to win is for he/she to be paired with a fat debuffer.
I'm not going to be online around that time, but do you think a video entry would work as well?
As long as it's previous to the date?
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If you get enough entries to where you need to use the ones with the EBs, let me know and I'll grab my widow or some such to get rid of them before you get there.
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Originally Posted by CriticalKat
Ok didn't know about the 30 min respawn timer. So yes we will be moving around and will avoid the ones with the 54 EB's indeed.
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:-( sorry no has to be during those times. I have to be on the team. NO way to really know for sure that no temp powers etc were used unless its done that way.
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Originally Posted by Orion_Zidane
I'm not going to be online around that time, but do you think a video entry would work as well?
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Ty. I was hoping there would be some tanks standing around to help with aggro control or pulling baddies as needed anyways.
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Originally Posted by Stray Kitten
If you get enough entries to where you need to use the ones with the EBs, let me know and I'll grab my widow or some such to get rid of them before you get there.
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Boo. Even with all the buff icons displayed?
Alright, alright. Have fun whoever is competing!
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Don't forget about this being this weekend guys!
Tfury and Llewthor won 1st place with 1.42, Disciple of Horus and Cherry got 2nd place with 4.36 and Kendo and Ready Aim Fire got 3rd place with 5.48.
Thanks Kat for hosting the competition. It was a lot of fun. (Gratz Llewthor!)
Special shout out to Tony's Defender (I'm not sure if the name is correct) for representing the defender community and soloing a pylon on his rad defender. You rawk!
Trevor
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What: Destroy Pylon !!
Date: Sunday 12/27/09
Time: 5-7pm EST
Where : RWZ (Marker 17)
Rules::
- No temp powers. No vet powers. No temp buffs or pets. No Purchaseable pack powers. No Temp pets. None. Really. Take them out of your tray, if you use them you are DQ'd. Yes this even includes Nemesis staff and Assemble the Team. If you did not get the power from the trainer its a DQ if you use it. The ONLY exceptions are passive temp powers from the Holiday event or Safeguards or Day Jobs. Only if they are "always on" , if you have to click it, you can't use it. KK?
- Solo or Duo only. VILLAINS ARE ALLOWED!
- Solo times will be cut automatically in half.
- Each global may only enter once.
- No do overs. Not even an oopsie at the beginning. Once time starts, thats it.
- Time starts with the first attack, be it damage or debuff.
- Buffing is allowed before attacking.
- No outside buffs/heals etc allowed.
- Tier 1 inspirations only.
- No base buffs.
- You are welcome to use your surrounding enviroment any way that you want to win. (The exception to this is pulling aggro on to spectators)
- If someone not on your team attempts to rez you do not accept it. Only rezzes from your partner or yourself that are from a power you received at a trainer are allowed. Sorry, hospital it!
- Die as much as you want but the clock is still ticking.
- I must be invited to your team before you start and no I won't be helping in any way. :-)
- All Spectators please remain on the rooftop that we normally form up for Rikti raids on.
- If you haven't defeated it within 10 mins, sorry, have a nice night.
- If you are one of those melee dudes that need baddies to buff off of your time begins as soon as you aggro the first one to pull it. Whether you use an actual power to do it or not is irrelevant.
- Any level toons are allowed.
- You will not be permitted to start until all buffs not applied by yourself or your duo partner wear off.If you are not ready when you are called for your turn you go to the back of the line. I will be calling people in the order that they register.
- Registration is required. Send me a tell with both toon names if its a duo. If I do not respond in a reasonable amount of time to confirm registration then resend.
- Please do not ask me about previous contestants times. Just do your best and have fun while doing it.
- I usually forget something important so I reserve the right to change the rules as needed.
Prizes:1st place -- 400 million (to be split 50/50 if a duo)
2nd place-- 100 million (to be split 50/50 if a duo)
3rd place-- 50 million (to be split 50/50 if a duo)
Ty Trevor for the fabulous idea.