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Adeon Hawkwood

By Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-12-05 17:11 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion

 

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Should each archetype focus on the same set bonuses regardless of powerset choices?

I mean every blaster should focus on the same, every scrapper focus on the same set choices?

Or like should a ice blaster focus on something different then a fire blaster?

Furthermore, what set bonuses should each archetype ideally focus on?

Zoner

 

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Originally Posted by LastPhantomZoner View Post
Should each archetype focus on the same set bonuses regardless of powerset choices?

I mean every blaster should focus on the same, every scrapper focus on the same set choices?

Or like should a ice blaster focus on something different then a fire blaster?

Furthermore, what set bonuses should each archetype ideally focus on?

Zoner
You should focus on bonuses that best help your particular character and it's powers. For example, a character with a lot of defense generally gets the most use out of bonuses that boost defense, the closer it gets to 45% the more effective it is. A character who depends on long recharge powers such as an Illusion Controller maximizing the uptime of Phantom Army may on the other hand find recharge bonuses most useful.

There's no firm rule on what "each AT should focus on", it all depends on what bonuses will best complement a character's particular powers and playstyle. An Empath defender has different needs than a Kinetic defender or a Radiation defender; just because they're all the same AT doesn't mean they need the same things.

What character are you playing that you wanted to know about? That's what we'd need to know in order to offer you useful advise. A Broadsword/Regen scrapper has dramatically different needs than a Spine/Invulnerability yet they're both scrappers. A Fire/Radiation controller likewise has much different needs than an Earth/Radiation even though they share the same secondary.

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CMA knows his stuff, so take that post to heart.

Essentially, slotting for what your character required most is a good thing to aim for. Perhaps you should tell us your AT/Powersets and we can recommend some slotting ideas for you.

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Even with the same powersets there are often different things to aim for depending on how you play.

For example a solo oriented Blaster might focus on Ranged Defense to up his survivability and allow him to take on more enemies at once whereas a more team oriented Blaster might choose to focus on recharge to try and get perma-hasten for more AoE goodness on teams.

 

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There are a number of different build directions to focus on, as others said. In general, most "build directions" head for one or more of these:
- Ranged Defense
- AoE Defense
- Melee Defense
- Smash/Lethal Defense (especially for farmers)
- Endurance Recovery
- Accuracy
- Health Regeneration
- Max HP
- Max Endurance
- Damage Buff

Other components that can be picked up but are more rarely the "direction" of a build include:
- Mez Resist
- Mez Enhancers
- Run/Fly/Jump Speed
- Fire, Energy, Cold, Negative, Toxic or Psionic Defense
- Damage Resistance (I think)

Knockback Protection and Stealth are special cases. A lot of builds will incorporate one or two enhancements to achieve them but there isn't anyway to base a whole build off of it.

 

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My toon that i'm asking for is ice/ice/cold blaster and ice/kin/cold controller.

Thanks,

p.s. for call me awesome. I posted a request for someone to post a build for an ice/ice/cold blaster but no one posted anything so far. If your knowledgeable on blaster, can you please post one for me. I'm lost with mine.

 

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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex View Post
There are a number of different build directions to focus on, as others said. In general, most "build directions" head for one or more of these:
- Ranged Defense
- AoE Defense
- Melee Defense
- Smash/Lethal Defense (especially for farmers)
- Endurance Recovery
- Accuracy
- Health Regeneration
- Max HP
- Max Endurance
- Damage Buff

Other components that can be picked up but are more rarely the "direction" of a build include:
- Mez Resist
- Mez Enhancers
- Run/Fly/Jump Speed
- Fire, Energy, Cold, Negative, Toxic or Psionic Defense
- Damage Resistance (I think)

Knockback Protection and Stealth are special cases. A lot of builds will incorporate one or two enhancements to achieve them but there isn't anyway to base a whole build off of it.
You forgot recharge, one of the most sought after bonuses.

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Originally Posted by LastPhantomZoner View Post
My toon that i'm asking for is ice/ice/cold blaster and ice/kin/cold controller.

Thanks,

p.s. for call me awesome. I posted a request for someone to post a build for an ice/ice/cold blaster but no one posted anything so far. If your knowledgeable on blaster, can you please post one for me. I'm lost with mine.

This is the build I use on mine. It's not the best one, but it serves me really well whenever I take him. Be it TFs or Missions.

I didn't get to focus on recharge as much as I would like, but you have enough defences where using a small purple would put you on softcap for Ranged defence, and using a mid purple would put you on softcap for Slashing, Lethal, Energy, and Negative Energy Defence. You also have enough recharge to carry on an infinite chain of (Ice Bolt -> Ice Blast -> Ice Bolt -> Bitter Ice Blast -> Repeat), and enough accuracy bonuses to make sure your attacks hit at least most of the time. 8 points of KB protection will guarantee protection against like 90% or so from all Knockback in the game, probably more even. You can Stealth/TP when needed (Like the tree mission in the STF), and have you enough Holds to hold bosses and EBs when you want to. Like I said, it's not the best, but it serves me really good.

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Level 50 Magic Blaster
Primary Power Set: Ice Blast
Secondary Power Set: Ice Manipulation
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Teleportation
Ancillary Pool: Cold Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ice Bolt -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(3), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7)
Level 1: Chilblain -- TotHntr-Acc/Rchg(A), TotHntr-Immob/Acc(34), TotHntr-Acc/Immob/Rchg(46), TotHntr-Acc/EndRdx(50)
Level 2: Ice Blast -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(9), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11)
Level 4: Ice Sword -- Acc-I(A)
Level 6: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 8: Freeze Ray -- Lock-Acc/Hold(A), Lock-Acc/Rchg(13), Lock-Rchg/Hold(13), Lock-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(15), Lock-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(17), Lock-%Hold(17)
Level 10: Aim -- AdjTgt-ToHit(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(40), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(40), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(43), AdjTgt-Rchg(43)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-ResKB(15), Clrty-Stlth(33)
Level 16: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(50)
Level 18: Bitter Ice Blast -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(19), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(21), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(23), P'Shift-End%(25)
Level 22: Ice Storm -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(25), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(37), Posi-Dmg/Rng(39), Posi-Dam%(39)
Level 24: Build Up -- AdjTgt-ToHit(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(40), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(42), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(43), AdjTgt-Rchg(45)
Level 26: Bitter Freeze Ray -- Lock-Acc/Hold(A), Lock-Acc/Rchg(27), Lock-Rchg/Hold(27), Lock-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(29), Lock-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(29), Lock-%Hold(31)
Level 28: Ice Patch -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(31), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31)
Level 32: Blizzard -- Posi-Dmg/Rchg(A), Posi-Acc/Dmg(33), Det'tn-Dmg/Rchg(33), AirB'st-Dmg/Rchg(34), Cloud-Acc/Rchg(34)
Level 35: Freezing Touch -- Lock-Acc/Hold(A), Lock-Acc/Rchg(36), Lock-Rchg/Hold(36), Lock-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(36), Lock-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(37), Lock-%Hold(37)
Level 38: Recall Friend -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-ResKB(39)
Level 41: Snow Storm -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Frozen Armor -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(45), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(45), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(46), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(46)
Level 47: Hoarfrost -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal(48), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 49: Hibernate -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Defiance
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Set Bonus Totals:
  • 13% DamageBuff(Smashing)
  • 13% DamageBuff(Lethal)
  • 13% DamageBuff(Fire)
  • 13% DamageBuff(Cold)
  • 13% DamageBuff(Energy)
  • 13% DamageBuff(Negative)
  • 13% DamageBuff(Toxic)
  • 13% DamageBuff(Psionic)
  • 3% Defense(Smashing)
  • 3% Defense(Lethal)
  • 6.75% Defense(Fire)
  • 6.75% Defense(Cold)
  • 23% Defense(Energy)
  • 23% Defense(Negative)
  • 3% Defense(Psionic)
  • 3% Defense(Melee)
  • 31.8% Defense(Ranged)
  • 10.5% Defense(AoE)
  • 4% Enhancement(Heal)
  • 5% Enhancement(Immobilize)
  • 36.3% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
  • 66% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 7.5% Enhancement(Held)
  • 12% FlySpeed
  • 49.7 HP (4.12%) HitPoints
  • 12% JumpHeight
  • 12% JumpSpeed
  • Knockback (Mag -8)
  • Knockup (Mag -8)
  • MezResist(Held) 6.6%
  • MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
  • 11% (0.18 End/sec) Recovery
  • 20% (1.01 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • 2.84% Resistance(Fire)
  • 2.84% Resistance(Cold)
  • 2.52% Resistance(Energy)
  • 2.52% Resistance(Negative)
  • 12% RunSpeed




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EDIT: Made a little change to the build I just noticed. Switched Stealth to Combat Jumping. Would make it a little bit more expensive (having to get the Celerity +Stealth IO and a BotZ: KB protection instead of a Karma one), but overall gives better Endurance/sec consumption and a much better movement ease.

 

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Originally Posted by LastPhantomZoner View Post
My toon that i'm asking for is ice/ice/cold blaster and ice/kin/cold controller.

Thanks,

p.s. for call me awesome. I posted a request for someone to post a build for an ice/ice/cold blaster but no one posted anything so far. If your knowledgeable on blaster, can you please post one for me. I'm lost with mine.
For an Ice/Ice/Cold Blaster, I'd focus on Ranged Defense first, then +RCH second.

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Originally Posted by LastPhantomZoner View Post
My toon that i'm asking for is ice/ice/cold blaster and ice/kin/cold controller.

Thanks,

p.s. for call me awesome. I posted a request for someone to post a build for an ice/ice/cold blaster but no one posted anything so far. If your knowledgeable on blaster, can you please post one for me. I'm lost with mine.
The advice you've gotten from some others looks sound to me; since I've only played one blaster to 50, an Archery/EM, and haven't ever rolled up an Ice blaster I don't consider myself qualified to give more than generalities. I generally play Tanks, Scrappers & Controllers... I know them far better than Blasters.

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Originally Posted by LastPhantomZoner View Post
My toon that i'm asking for is ice/ice/cold blaster and ice/kin/cold controller.

Thanks,

p.s. for call me awesome. I posted a request for someone to post a build for an ice/ice/cold blaster but no one posted anything so far. If your knowledgeable on blaster, can you please post one for me. I'm lost with mine.
I see that you posted the request in this forum--you'd probably be better off asking in the blaster forum since you'll get more folks there with the experience you need.

You might also try making a ''best guess" build and posting it for comments. Coming up with a build--especially an IO build--is a fair amount of work and you're likely to get more responses if you give people something to react to rather than have them custom design a build for you.

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