Where is the Chase Scene?


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What's the most common scene in a movie? Probably the chase scene! So where is this aspect of hero-ness in City of Heroes?

I would suggest that one way you can add this is when a villain escapes from a safeguard mission, then you can spawn a van on the map with a HP bar and have faction enemies shooting the heroes from nearby rooftops as you try to beat the van up. For City of Villains, you could do something similar, I guess you're beating up a potential victim's van.

This could also be added into the game as a triggered event or even a spawned event. It would be neat if the van could zone, too, perhaps.

I can see the barriers that would prevent this, but if all you do is think about why something cannot be done, it'll simply never happen.

Got any thoughts that might make this idea better? Please state them!


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I think this would be a cool addition to the "Stop X from escaping" mission. Instead of outright failure, the guy makes it to the door or teleports out, you're forced to exit and outside is a vehicle set to whisk them away. You give chase and try to take them out.

This would work best in zones with good road layouts, like St Martial, Skyway City, Talos Island. However it could just as easily be a helicopter or Arachnos Black Chopper and lead to an airborne battle.

Good idea.


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Only problem is that if that were to be implemented what's there to stop a nearby player killing the target the current mission holder has to kill?


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Originally Posted by Wolf_Reign View Post
Only problem is that if that were to be implemented what's there to stop a nearby player killing the target the current mission holder has to kill?
Nothing. Why not give them both a reward, perhaps? Surely Batman isn't going to complain if Superman defeats the Riddler?


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Surely Batman isn't going to complain if Superman defeats the Riddler?
You never know with Batman.


 

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I don't know.

With some characters, it's somewhat fun. With others - "That *#&$% boss is running. AGAIN." isn't fun, period.

I guess it would depend on how it's handled.


 

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Reign View Post
Only problem is that if that were to be implemented what's there to stop a nearby player killing the target the current mission holder has to kill?
Arguably, make it one of those instanced versions of the outdoor maps. Similar feel without the interruption. Or, make the van/chopper con as a civilian to people who aren't on your team.


 

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let a AV get out the bank door in a safeguard and it will turn into a chase scene.

Not sure though how a chase scene could play out in a game full of controllers and super speedsters.

Might be interesting to have a chase scene in a building (not a cave) with close quarters, say, an apartment complex, where the runner can dart and weave through small rooms, side doors, etc.


 

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After giving some thought to it, my biggest problem with the concept is going to be how Travel Suppression effects the way it plays out.

Fly/Run/Jump ahead, pew pew pew, Fly/Run/Jump ahead, pew pew pew, Fly/Run/Jump ahead, pew pew pew doesn't sound very fun.

A way to save the idea might be to make success more about protecting citizens and preventing property damage. Last I knew, clicking a glowie didn't suppress movement, so maybe if you had civilians or vehicles in the path of this oncoming escapee, but they were 0second glowies, that would mean you could swoop in, click on them and they're teleported away by Medicom as a preemptive measure or something.


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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad View Post
After giving some thought to it, my biggest problem with the concept is going to be how Travel Suppression effects the way it plays out.
The problem that I immediately saw was the inability for the engine to allow a character to "ride" the top of a vehicle as it speeds down the roadway. One of the more iconic traits of the superhero vehicle chase is always the fight that predictably occurs on the roof of the vehicle while it speeds towards its destination. Unless the engine is improved to allow for such feats (i.e. adding moving platforms), I don't really think that it would be all that impressive. Without it, vehicle events would be just like chasing down any other villain that's running away from you rather than a pseudo-timed fight with greater comparative risk (from falling off of the vehicle, obviously).


 

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Originally Posted by Rodoan View Post
Might be interesting to have a chase scene in a building (not a cave) with close quarters, say, an apartment complex, where the runner can dart and weave through small rooms, side doors, etc.
As long as we can do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7ACUJ-0ARY

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The greatest difficulty becomes: Is the chase scene scripted, or unscripted?

If it's scripted, that makes it into essentially quicktime button-mashing "press 'X' to not die" sequence (the problem with these; if they're in any way common, they quickly become annoying and unfun, especially for people who don't have the quickest reflexes); while if it's unscripted it simply allows the player to come prepared and utterly decimate the person he's chasing in a few seconds.

A chase scene would also very likely penalize melee classes, especially the ones with no supplementary ranged attacks (Axe, Mace, Martial Arts, the Swords, etc); while forcing other sets to take the supplementary ranged attacks (which are typically awful) in order to have any chance at success.

That said: I would LOVE to see scripted police chases tooling around Paragon. And since cars in paragon move slower then most people can run, that'd still create a situation where the players could help out by blasting away at cars and helping in the chase; or to simply ignore them the way they do any gray mobs. There could even be a "police chase in progress" message that pops up; that creates a scanner-like mission if you defeat the car.

... and it could even be a good way to add the Freakshow Sportaur and Nemesis Horsemen to the game; as well as a way to make Sky Skiffs look like they're actually good for more then simply randomly exploding in Striga.


 

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Originally Posted by PoptartsNinja View Post
That said: There could even be a "police chase in progress" message that pops up; that creates a scanner-like mission if you defeat the car.
I like this.


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Originally Posted by PoptartsNinja View Post
The greatest difficulty becomes: Is the chase scene scripted, or unscripted?

If it's scripted, that makes it into essentially quicktime button-mashing "press 'X' to not die" sequence (the problem with these; if they're in any way common, they quickly become annoying and unfun, especially for people who don't have the quickest reflexes); while if it's unscripted it simply allows the player to come prepared and utterly decimate the person he's chasing in a few seconds.

A chase scene would also very likely penalize melee classes, especially the ones with no supplementary ranged attacks (Axe, Mace, Martial Arts, the Swords, etc); while forcing other sets to take the supplementary ranged attacks (which are typically awful) in order to have any chance at success.

That said: I would LOVE to see scripted police chases tooling around Paragon. And since cars in paragon move slower then most people can run, that'd still create a situation where the players could help out by blasting away at cars and helping in the chase; or to simply ignore them the way they do any gray mobs. There could even be a "police chase in progress" message that pops up; that creates a scanner-like mission if you defeat the car.

... and it could even be a good way to add the Freakshow Sportaur and Nemesis Horsemen to the game; as well as a way to make Sky Skiffs look like they're actually good for more then simply randomly exploding in Striga.
I too like your police chase idea, especially if they name the lead cop John Bunnell..

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Or, make the van/chopper con as a civilian to people who aren't on your team.
I'd like it a lot if more 'criminals' were labeled as civilians until you actually watch or overhear them do a or plan crime (like they're neutral until they pass that lady and grab their purse, or you listen to them long enough to hear how they robbed or want to rob that store.) or have the mission to hunt them. Or maybe the defeat badge for them so you know who's a member of that group and needs to be taken down.
I never found wearing a gang-style jacket and just minding your own business was a reason to be beaten up by a hero.

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Originally Posted by PoptartsNinja View Post
I would LOVE to see scripted police chases tooling around Paragon.
There could even be a "police chase in progress" message that pops up; that creates a scanner-like mission if you defeat the car.
And police cars / ambulances / firetrucks heading for random emergencies in the city that pop up in red on your police radio. That kind of OhNoWeNeedAHero! stuff.


 

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I never found wearing a gang-style jacket and just minding your own business was a reason to be beaten up by a hero.
You must not live in a major US city. :/


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You must not live in a major US city. :/
I dont indeed. Do those 'heroes' there look like gang member too though?