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Originally Posted by Psylenz
On my robot masterminds, I do agree that electric fences is superior to the other AoE immobilizations but I also feel that the mace armor (defense based) matches up better with the defense bubble that I get from the Protector bot. If you have dispersion bubble, all the more reason I feel to pick it up.
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When my MM was still on normal IO's or very low budget sets I used the Scorpion Shield to help cap my S/L defences rather than going for positional defences and it helped greatly (I even soloed a few AV's back on that build).
When I got a higher budget and could cap ranged and AoE defence I then realised a resist based shield was better for me, but it really depends on your budget/build which is most use.
Scorpion Shield > Any other, until you can your defences another way.
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Scorpion Shield does next to nothing to increase your defenses, since 99% of people focus on Melee, Range and AoE defenses and not on just Smashing and Lethal and most IO Sets confirm this.
Force bubble is amazing for a tankermind. keeps most of the baddies at range and continues to build aggro on them, meanwhile your pets are shooting the snot out of them.
Force Bubble (50) will NOT push mobs out of the range of Force Bolt(80), Repulsion Bomb(70), or any of the personal attacks(80).
*note* taking ANY attacks on a MM is just a bad idea. The dmg modifier for MMs is the lowest of all ATs. The damage you do is pathetic, when you compare it to the endurance cost its even worse. There are a multitude of other powers you can take that will be of far more benefit than any attacks. The only exception to this is the very early levels where the poor dmg is actually enough to make a difference in fights, but once you get your second t1 pet its benefits fall off drastically.
Ultimo_ your build confuses me. You power choices and slotting makes baby jesus cry.
I started to list all of the things that made me cringe, but after seeing it I thought better of it as it tended to sound offensive when that was not my intention. Can i just give a couple tips?
Take Deflection and Insulation shields, teams will love you and your bots will thank you. Unless you absolutely have to have them, and realize that having them WILL gimp your toon, please drop at least some, if not all, the rifle attacks and the patron attacks(see above note). You can place a few more slots in Force Bolt and put dmg procs in and you will have a nice atk power that is up often and will be useful. Lastly, Group Fly? 
The rest are slotting issues, but i will pass otherwise I am just back to my original long post about changes and such.
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Originally Posted by F_M_J
Scorpion Shield does next to nothing to increase your defenses, since 99% of people focus on Melee, Range and AoE defenses and not on just Smashing and Lethal and most IO Sets confirm this.
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Getting melee, ranged and AoE defence covers you against everything (Almost) but since most attacks have a smashing or lethal component S/L defence will do you a lot of good if you haven't got the budget to aim for capped positional defence. Especially when you add in Scorpion Shield because you don't need too much in the way of +def from set bonus', so it is quite cheap to cap S/L (And the S/L set bonus' are quite common).
So although capping all the positionals is preferred, you can get by well enough with just S/L, and do so on a very limited budget.
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Heh, I'm happy to hear criticisms, but I think I'll explain some of my choices, of only for the sake of interest.
I take personal attacks because I made the character as an homage to Dr. Doom. Besides, in the comics, any character you might consider a MM usually gets involved himself. Even Lord Recluse fits this description (though, it's always been a peeve of mine that comic MMs and Lord Recluse are all PERSONALLY dangerous, while ours are not...). To this end, I have the attacks so I can have some personal offense, pathetic as it is (in fact, I often go to Siren's Call to buy the EMP Glove so I have a decent personal attack). I'm rather looking forward to Mu Mastery.
I have a team build with the bubbles, but solo, I found them to be of limited value.
I took Group Fly for a couple of reasons. First, it does have uses. I've found it handy more than once, but it IS situational. The other reason was that I really didn't have any other options that struck me as more attractive.
As I say, the character plays pretty well. I've had few problems with the build as it is. If you like, I can post the team build for your amusement (or bemusement).
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Originally Posted by Ultimo_
Heh, I'm happy to hear criticisms, but I think I'll explain some of my choices, of only for the sake of interest.
I take personal attacks because I made the character as an homage to Dr. Doom. Besides, in the comics, any character you might consider a MM usually gets involved himself. Even Lord Recluse fits this description (though, it's always been a peeve of mine that comic MMs and Lord Recluse are all PERSONALLY dangerous, while ours are not...). To this end, I have the attacks so I can have some personal offense, pathetic as it is (in fact, I often go to Siren's Call to buy the EMP Glove so I have a decent personal attack). I'm rather looking forward to Mu Mastery. I have a team build with the bubbles, but solo, I found them to be of limited value. I took Group Fly for a couple of reasons. First, it does have uses. I've found it handy more than once, but it IS situational. The other reason was that I really didn't have any other options that struck me as more attractive. As I say, the character plays pretty well. I've had few problems with the build as it is. If you like, I can post the team build for your amusement (or bemusement). |
Solo you find bubbles of limited value? wha? so more than doubling your bots defenses as well as boosting some of their resists is "limited value?" I don't understand this, especially since your build is not a "tankermind" build, meaning you count on your bots to take the aggro and not yourself.
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But, I digress, if the past is a clue to the future, it would be pointless to continue to try to enlighten you, so I will end it with "I tried"
P.S. I love how people give negative rep and don't have the guts to leave their name, especially when the reason for giving it is ridiculous. -rep for having an opinion? I didn't realize we were a communist forum.
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I suspect you're listening to the cretins who like calling me names. I'm a reasonable and open minded person. If you have an opinion about my builds, I'm all ears. I may not agree with everything you say, for various reasons, but I'm always happy to have a discussion, as long as it stays respectful.|
Originally Posted by F_M_J
Solo you find bubbles of limited value? wha? so more than doubling your bots defenses as well as boosting some of their resists is "limited value?" I don't understand this, especially since your build is not a "tankermind" build, meaning you count on your bots to take the aggro and not yourself.
Maybe time to broaden your horizons. But, I digress, if the past is a clue to the future, it would be pointless to continue to try to enlighten you, so I will end it with "I tried" P.S. I love how people give negative rep and don't have the guts to leave their name, especially when the reason for giving it is ridiculous. -rep for having an opinion? I didn't realize we were a communist forum. |
I find the bubbles of little use because they seem to provide rather minimal defense to the bots. That is, they don't seem to do a better job of surviving with or without the shields. Further, since I'm often doing many of the attacks myself, I do gather a sizable chunk of the aggro. I'm not sure if that would qualify as a "Tankermind" to you, but it works (so far).
As for broadening my horizons, could you elaborate? As I say, there were options, but nothing struck me as being particularly useful to me, and I have seen Group Fly be useful from time to time.
To be totally clear, I NEVER give anonymous rep, especially negative rep. In fact, I don't give rep at all, really. I just don't want you thinking I'm that petty.
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Originally Posted by Ultimo_
I suspect you're listening to the cretins who like calling me names. I'm a reasonable and open minded person. If you have an opinion about my builds, I'm all ears. I may not agree with everything you say, for various reasons, but I'm always happy to have a discussion, as long as it stays respectful.
I find the bubbles of little use because they seem to provide rather minimal defense to the bots. That is, they don't seem to do a better job of surviving with or without the shields. Further, since I'm often doing many of the attacks myself, I do gather a sizable chunk of the aggro. I'm not sure if that would qualify as a "Tankermind" to you, but it works (so far). As for broadening my horizons, could you elaborate? As I say, there were options, but nothing struck me as being particularly useful to me, and I have seen Group Fly be useful from time to time. To be totally clear, I NEVER give anonymous rep, especially negative rep. In fact, I don't give rep at all, really. I just don't want you thinking I'm that petty. |
That rep comment was not aimed at you Ultimo_, sorry if it sounded that way
it was just a general statement about the cowards who hide behind anonymity.
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That rep comment was not aimed at you Ultimo_, sorry if it sounded that way
it was just a general statement about the cowards who hide behind anonymity. |
I didn't think it was being aimed my way, I just wanted to make sure.
When I used my Bots/FF solo I found Repulsion Field to help a lot with Boss fights. If you time it right you can keep the Boss on his *** without ever getting an attack off with pets on Aggressive Mode. 'Bout the only time I found it useful.
Repulsion field has not been a favorite of mine since... oh about I1
I do like Forcebubble, and Repulsion Bomb, too.
On my robot masterminds, I do agree that electric fences is superior to the other AoE immobilizations but I also feel that the mace armor (defense based) matches up better with the defense bubble that I get from the Protector bot. If you have dispersion bubble, all the more reason I feel to pick it up.
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