Snixnix Revealed (or a really expensive humanform warshade build)


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If you're looking for some constructive criticism I see several things to point out to you. Unfortunately that will have to wait till tomorrow when I'm less tired. I'll be back.






Aside from that... ya know, I probably would have gone a different way. A completely different way. Like a whole different AT way.


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Necroposting is bad, yo.


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Necroposting is bad, yo.
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Yeah so okay:

You've got great recharge which is awesome for a WS but I'd also do a lot of things differently.

You've got the Glad Armor def proc (which is absurdly expensive), the Steadfast def proc and Maneuvers, but you've only actually gotten low-medium amounts of defense. If you want to get some defense, I'd shoot for 32% either s/l or some positionals, that way you can softcap any time you want with a small purple inspiration.

Speaking of Steadfast stuff, why do you have 3 Steadfast -KB IOs slotted as well as KB slotted Acrobatics? I can understand having 1 as a backup for Acrobatics so you don't get KB/KDed around when mezzed, but why 3? Also bear in mind that the KB protection in Acrobatics is divided into 2 parts, one enhanceable one not. The one Mids displays is the enhanceable bit, but it has a mag 7 unenhanceable portion. With Acrobatics alone you've got mag 10 KB protection. Why do you also have the BotZ -KB IOs? If this is also for pvp, I believe 41 is the number to shoot for, not 30.

If anything, I'd put an end rdx in Acrobatics.

I'd recommend swapping the Apoc DAM in Shadow Blast for the Dam/End, since you have literally 0 endurance reduction in what is your main ST blast. Exact same deal for Gravity Well. Using just those 2 powers in a row will eat 26 endurance. That's over a quarter of your bar. I'd say you can afford to leave 5 Apocs in Shadow Blast, but definitely put a 6th slot of end rdx in GW.

I'd drop the +regen and +hp/+end procs from health. As a WS you don't have a big enough hp pool to warrant the regen and the healing you'll get from Stygian Circle will far outstrip whatever benefit you get from the regen proc. As for the +heal/+end proc, unless you got it as a drop I wouldn't bother with it at all, let alone in health. The heal on it is absolutely miniscule and the endurance gain is lower than from a Shifter proc. The few kinds of powers I think are worth slotting the Panacea proc in are stuff like Reconstruction, Healing Flames, etc so that when it goes off, you get a tiny bonus heal (who cares) but essentially get to cast the power for free. Since the closest analogue you have to such a power is Stygian Circle, the end gain and heal you get from that are far better than what the proc will give you.

I'd drop Assault and pick up something else. The damage buff you get from it is tiny and far outshadowed by Sunless Mire. Plus its an end hog. Which brings me to....

Your endurance. As I said before GW is using an absolute boatload, especially since at your level of recharge you can use it every 4 seconds. Even though you have an endurance 'I win' button in Stygian Circle, I would recommend you properly slot your main attacks so that you're less reliant on it. What are you gonna do for endurance in AV fights for example? The minions, lts and bosses all die pretty fast, leaving you with little corpse fodder.

In addition to that, running your toggles (half of which are poorly slotted for end rdx or not worth running, to put it bluntly) burns 2.13 end a second. Given you recover 3.9 (including the Shifter proc) you're burning a huge chunk of your recovery just standing around.

As you say in the title, its an incredibly expensive build. My concern would be whether or not you're getting the performance proportional to the expense out of it.

Hope that helps


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Yeah so okay:

You've got great recharge which is awesome for a WS but I'd also do a lot of things differently.

You've got the Glad Armor def proc (which is absurdly expensive), the Steadfast def proc and Maneuvers, but you've only actually gotten low-medium amounts of defense. If you want to get some defense, I'd shoot for 32% either s/l or some positionals, that way you can softcap any time you want with a small purple inspiration.
I fully understand softcapping defenses. I did not think that it would be viable to get that much defense. This build is mostly recharge as you can see. Warshades get a few "i win" buttons as you put it. Stygian circle and Eclipse. They ARE unlimited endurance. Why would I worry about end with a 6 second recharge full end button?

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Speaking of Steadfast stuff, why do you have 3 Steadfast -KB IOs slotted as well as KB slotted Acrobatics? I can understand having 1 as a backup for Acrobatics so you don't get KB/KDed around when mezzed, but why 3? Also bear in mind that the KB protection in Acrobatics is divided into 2 parts, one enhanceable one not. The one Mids displays is the enhanceable bit, but it has a mag 7 unenhanceable portion. With Acrobatics alone you've got mag 10 KB protection. Why do you also have the BotZ -KB IOs? If this is also for pvp, I believe 41 is the number to shoot for, not 30.
Not a pvp build.
Steadfast are for endurance not kb prot.

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If anything, I'd put an end rdx in Acrobatics.
you may be right there as well

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I'd recommend swapping the Apoc DAM in Shadow Blast for the Dam/End, since you have literally 0 endurance reduction in what is your main ST blast. Exact same deal for Gravity Well. Using just those 2 powers in a row will eat 26 endurance. That's over a quarter of your bar. I'd say you can afford to leave 5 Apocs in Shadow Blast, but definitely put a 6th slot of end rdx in GW.
Looking at the numbers I see your right. It should be the dam/end not just dam. The amount of damage it does is not worth the higher end cost, but since i'm not MADE of money it will probably stay that way for a while. *shrug* I got purps when they were a loooooot cheaper. As for the 6th slot in GW i have no idea where i'd pull it from. I honestly don't.

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I'd drop the +regen and +hp/+end procs from health. As a WS you don't have a big enough hp pool to warrant the regen and the healing you'll get from Stygian Circle will far outstrip whatever benefit you get from the regen proc. As for the +heal/+end proc, unless you got it as a drop I wouldn't bother with it at all, let alone in health. The heal on it is absolutely miniscule and the endurance gain is lower than from a Shifter proc. The few kinds of powers I think are worth slotting the Panacea proc in are stuff like Reconstruction, Healing Flames, etc so that when it goes off, you get a tiny bonus heal (who cares) but essentially get to cast the power for free. Since the closest analogue you have to such a power is Stygian Circle, the end gain and heal you get from that are far better than what the proc will give you.
I'd contemplate dropping the +regen, but honestly the /+end is really nice. I'd not give up the panacea. That little bit of end every once in a while really is noticeable.
Its not for the heal.


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I'd drop Assault and pick up something else. The damage buff you get from it is tiny and far outshadowed by Sunless Mire. Plus its an end hog. Which brings me to....

Your endurance. As I said before GW is using an absolute boatload, especially since at your level of recharge you can use it every 4 seconds. Even though you have an endurance 'I win' button in Stygian Circle, I would recommend you properly slot your main attacks so that you're less reliant on it. What are you gonna do for endurance in AV fights for example? The minions, lts and bosses all die pretty fast, leaving you with little corpse fodder.
Av fights are a warshade bane. Yes. You ever use temp powers? The +recovery one is a tasty tasty boost of endurance. Warshades are balanced to be like a lawnmower. You chug along nicely through the grass but when you hit a rock... thats why we have teams imho. Smooth out the ride. Or a roller-coaster... Our highs are really high, but those lows are reaaaaally low... watch out for the loopdieloop.

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In addition to that, running your toggles (half of which are poorly slotted for end rdx or not worth running, to put it bluntly) burns 2.13 end a second. Given you recover 3.9 (including the Shifter proc) you're burning a huge chunk of your recovery just standing around.
I agree. I'm an end hog, but again I am gonna fall back on the crutch of my magic "i win" button. *shrug* Its a playstyle thing.
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As you say in the title, its an incredibly expensive build. My concern would be whether or not you're getting the performance proportional to the expense out of it.

Hope that helps
Yes. I feel I am. *shrug*
You don't have to MAKE the build. I've had requests for the build and thought I'd post on the forums.


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Still a bit defensive over a year later, I see.


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wow... forums haven't changed i see


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ehhh.....
i hope that original build posted wasnt the same build you were using when playing w/ my cold defenders. kinda remember seeing ya get squashed alot....

hope you consider peep's suggestions in finetuning your toon, cuz looks like there's alot of finetuning that can be done to crank out it's maximum potential.


 

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ehhh.....
i hope that original build posted wasnt the same build you were using when playing w/ my cold defenders. kinda remember seeing ya get squashed alot....

hope you consider peep's suggestions in finetuning your toon, cuz looks like there's alot of finetuning that can be done to crank out it's maximum potential.
been at least a year to a year and a half since we've grouped up...
build has gone through a few revisions since then.

Took some advice from Sylas. He was totally right about the dam/end revisions.
Thanks Sylas.


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